I have a question about How do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor which will move. Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which work except to close the window. Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.

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Sound very much like a virus. However you can try this. Boot to safe mode by tapping F8 when you see "Starting Windows 95" and selecting Safe mode on the selection screen. If it gets there Click start, run, type: regedit and click ok. click the plus signs by: Local Machine. ENUM and MF. Under MF will be CHILD 0000 and CHILD0001. delete them both and restart the machine and tell it normal mode if prompted. It "should" say: found new device loading software." When it asks to reboot tell it NO and it will again say "found new device" Keep telling it NO until it is done and in the desktop


On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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Thanks Steve, I will try that. I should add that safe boot works properly and I get all icons,taskbar and start button.


On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 3:39 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Sound very much like a virus. However you can try this. Boot to safe mode by tapping
>F8 when you see "Starting Windows 95" and selecting Safe mode on the selection screen.
>If it gets there Click start, run, type: regedit and click ok. click the plus signs
>by: Local Machine. ENUM and MF. Under MF will be CHILD 0000 and CHILD0001. delete
>them both and restart the machine and tell it normal mode if prompted. It "should"
>say: found new device loading software." When it asks to reboot tell it NO and it
>will again say "found new device" Keep telling it NO until it is done and in the
>desktop
>
>


>On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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If it goes into safe mode you should be ok, the last two things that load/execute in either mode are rundll and explorer.exe


On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 10:38 am, Dave Harding wrote:
>Thanks Steve, I will try that. I should add that safe boot works properly and I get
>all icons,taskbar and start button.
>
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 3:39 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Sound very much like a virus. However you can try this. Boot to safe mode by tapping
>F8 when you see "Starting Windows 95" and selecting Safe mode on the selection
>screen.
>If it gets there Click start, run, type: regedit and click ok. click the plus signs
>by: Local Machine. ENUM and MF. Under MF will be CHILD 0000 and CHILD0001. delete
>them both and restart the machine and tell it normal mode if prompted. It "should"
>say: found new device loading software." When it asks to reboot tell it NO and it
>will again say "found new device" Keep telling it NO until it is done and in the
>desktop
>
>


>On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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Steve, I tried your suggestion of removing Childs 0001 & 0001 with no luck. I also tried replacing Explorer and then re-installing Windows also with no luck. Bootlog says that 5 virtual drivers failed to load including vshare, ebios and vpowerd although they were referenced properly in System.ini. I can try replacing Rundll. My other problem is that someone in the office misplaced the Win95 CD and I'm having to use an older version on floppies. D.


On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 11:08 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>If it goes into safe mode you should be ok, the last two things that load/execute
>in either mode are rundll and explorer.exe
>
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 10:38 am, Dave Harding wrote:
>Thanks Steve, I will try that. I should add that safe boot works properly and I
>get all icons,taskbar and start button.
>

>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 3:39 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Sound very much like a virus. However you can try this. Boot to safe mode by tapping
>

>If it gets there Click start, run, type: regedit and click ok. click the plus signs
>
>by: Local Machine. ENUM and MF. Under MF will be CHILD 0000 and CHILD0001. delete
>
>them both and restart the machine and tell it normal mode if prompted. It "should"
>
>say: found new device loading software." When it asks to reboot tell it NO and it
>
>will again say "found new device" Keep telling it NO until it is done and in the
>
>desktop
>
>


>On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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Dave it's normal for the bootlog to list those devices as failed to load as they are TSR devices ( terminate stay resident ) Run regedit in safe mode and search for a value called: NoIDE if found delete it. It sounds to me as if there's an IDE controller problem.


On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 9:27 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>Steve,
>I tried your suggestion of removing Childs 0001 & 0001 with no luck. I also tried
>replacing Explorer and then re-installing Windows also with no luck. Bootlog says
>that 5 virtual drivers failed to load including vshare, ebios and vpowerd although
>they were referenced properly in System.ini. I can try replacing Rundll. My other
>problem is that someone in the office misplaced the Win95 CD and I'm having to use
>an older version on floppies.
>D.
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 11:08 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>If it goes into safe mode you should be ok, the last two things that load/execute
>in either mode are rundll and explorer.exe
>
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 10:38 am, Dave Harding wrote:
>Thanks Steve, I will try that. I should add that safe boot works properly and I
>get all icons,taskbar and start button.
>
>
>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 3:39 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Sound very much like a virus. However you can try this. Boot to safe mode by tapping
>
>
>If it gets there Click start, run, type: regedit and click ok. click the plus signs
>
>by: Local Machine. ENUM and MF. Under MF will be CHILD 0000 and CHILD0001. delete
>
>them both and restart the machine and tell it normal mode if prompted. It "should"
>
>say: found new device loading software." When it asks to reboot tell it NO and it
>
>will again say "found new device" Keep telling it NO until it is done and in the
>
>desktop
>
>


>On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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Steve, I didn't get to work on it today but one further piece of evidence is that if I boot in SafeMode with Networking the problem occurs. However when I double clicked on the screen a window came up called "Tasks" with a "Nuts & Bolts" logo on it. It had a menu line and under files was a Run App line. I clicked on that and typed in "explorer" in the dialog box and everything (taskbar, icons etc.) appeared on the screen as it should. It seems that something is stopping Explorer from running. I will try your NoIDE idea tomorrow. Dave


On Thursday, February 28, 2002 at 4:38 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Dave it's normal for the bootlog to list those devices as failed to load as they
>are TSR devices ( terminate stay resident ) Run regedit in safe mode and search for
>a value called: NoIDE if found delete it. It sounds to me as if there's an IDE
>controller problem.
>
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 9:27 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>Steve,
>I tried your suggestion of removing Childs 0001 & 0001 with no luck. I also tried
>replacing Explorer and then re-installing Windows also with no luck. Bootlog says
>that 5 virtual drivers failed to load including vshare, ebios and vpowerd although
>they were referenced properly in System.ini. I can try replacing Rundll. My other
>problem is that someone in the office misplaced the Win95 CD and I'm having to use
>an older version on floppies.
>D.
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 11:08 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>If it goes into safe mode you should be ok, the last two things that load/execute
>
>in either mode are rundll and explorer.exe
>
>


>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 10:38 am, Dave Harding wrote:
>Thanks Steve, I will try that. I should add that safe boot works properly and I
>
>get all icons,taskbar and start button.
>
>
>On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 3:39 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Sound very much like a virus. However you can try this. Boot to safe mode by tapping
>
>
>
>If it gets there Click start, run, type: regedit and click ok. click the plus signs
>
>
>by: Local Machine. ENUM and MF. Under MF will be CHILD 0000 and CHILD0001. delete
>
>
>them both and restart the machine and tell it normal mode if prompted. It "should"
>
>
>say: found new device loading software." When it asks to reboot tell it NO and it
>
>
>will again say "found new device" Keep telling it NO until it is done and in the
>
>
>desktop
>
>


>On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>
>
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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Dave, it also sounds as if it's hanging up on an uncompleted task in task manager, like a virus scan or something. Have you recently installed/uninstalled virus software.


On Thursday, February 28, 2002 at 5:04 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>Steve,
>I didn't get to work on it today but one further piece of evidence is that if I boot
>in SafeMode with Networking the problem occurs. However when I double clicked on
>the screen a window came up called "Tasks" with a "Nuts & Bolts" logo on it. It had
>a menu line and under files was a Run App line. I clicked on that and typed in "explorer"
>in the dialog box and everything (taskbar, icons etc.) appeared on the screen as
>it should. It seems that something is stopping Explorer from running. I will try
>your NoIDE idea tomorrow.
>Dave
>

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Steve, I finally got it working again. I tried removing the NoIDE in the register and then found it wouldn't boot even in safe mode. I had to restore my register in DOS. I was trying to set up Direct connection when it happened so I went to network in the control panel and removed some of the stuff including file sharing, rebooted and it worked. I went back and set up print and file sharing again and it didn't boot again. I have set this up on other machines and had no trouble, so I'm not sure what is wrong with this one. There are several things in network so there may be some conflicts there. I'll try removing some that look redundant and see. Anyway, thanks for your help. Dave PS. There is no NoIDE statement in the registry now.


On Friday, March 1, 2002 at 4:12 pm, Steve Easton wrote:
>Dave, it also sounds as if it's hanging up on an uncompleted task in task manager,
>like a virus scan or something. Have you recently installed/uninstalled virus software.
>

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The NoIDE statement prevents the pc from loading the hard disk controllers and will cause it to hang just before the desktop loads. What direct connection are you refering to?


On Saturday, March 2, 2002 at 11:25 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>Steve,
>I finally got it working again. I tried removing the NoIDE in the register and then
>found it wouldn't boot even in safe mode. I had to restore my register in DOS. I
>was trying to set up Direct connection when it happened so I went to network in the
>control panel and removed some of the stuff including file sharing, rebooted and
>it worked. I went back and set up print and file sharing again and it didn't boot
>again. I have set this up on other machines and had no trouble, so I'm not sure what
>is wrong with this one. There are several things in network so there may be some
>conflicts there. I'll try removing some that look redundant and see. Anyway, thanks
>for your help.
>Dave
>PS. There is no NoIDE statement in the registry now.
>

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Sorry, I was a little sloppy in my description. It is the direct cable connection between 2 computers using the com or parallel ports to share files or printers. Dave


On Sunday, March 3, 2002 at 6:21 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>The NoIDE statement prevents the pc from loading the hard disk controllers and will
>cause it to hang just before the desktop loads. What direct connection are you refering
>to?
>

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Aaaaah ok. If you use ethernet cards and workgroup hub ( or crosseover cable ) to network, the connection/file transfer speed is phenominal. I've tried both.


On Sunday, March 3, 2002 at 10:18 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>Sorry, I was a little sloppy in my description. It is the direct cable connection
>between 2 computers using the com or parallel ports to share files or printers.
>Dave
>

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The seniors' centre where I maintain the computers has a lot of competition for their limited funds so we can't afford ethernet. That's why we're using a mix of 486s and slow pentiums and Win95. With seniors that are not too dextrous and have short memories, it is a bit of a challenge. I had a fellow wipe out the whole Windows folder on one machine including MsOffice. I haven't been able to figure out how he did it. It wasn't on purpose. Thanks again. Dave


On Monday, March 4, 2002 at 3:21 am, Steve Easton wrote:
>Aaaaah ok. If you use ethernet cards and workgroup hub ( or crosseover cable ) to
>network, the connection/file transfer speed is phenominal. I've tried both.
>

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To bad your not in Jacksonvile Fl. My son works for a pc wholesaler and I can buy ethernet cards for $8 each all day long. those and a $50 Linksys workgroup hub and they'd be networked and could all be on line using a little free proxy program on 1 on-line machine. Also you might want to check out a little program called Poledit. ( policy editor ) It's free from the MSFT Windows 95 download site and can be used on the machines to disable features such as deleting directories etc, etc. Network admins use it it business networks to keep folks from playing around in workstation pc's.


On Monday, March 4, 2002 at 10:15 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>The seniors' centre where I maintain the computers has a lot of competition for their
>limited funds so we can't afford ethernet. That's why we're using a mix of 486s and
>slow pentiums and Win95. With seniors that are not too dextrous and have short memories,
>it is a bit of a challenge. I had a fellow wipe out the whole Windows folder on one
>machine including MsOffice. I haven't been able to figure out how he did it. It wasn't
>on purpose. Thanks again.
>Dave
>

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On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes
>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
> Steve - I am having a similar problem, except: 1. ALL Windows startup modes (safe or not) produce the same result - bare desktop, invalid page fault in Explorer, "tasks" box if I double-click. 2. I believe I caused the problem by deleting a file. I was trying to free up hard disk space and deleted 3 or 4 .exe files .. I was sure they all had to do with Real Player (which I do not have nor want), but the problem started right after that. SO the cause is clearer, but how to fix it is not. I do not know how to get this file back. I have a Windows 95 CD and am able to select a program to run form the CD from the "tasks" window .. but running setup.exe does nothing visible. I have run McAfee VirusScan from an emergency boot disk and there are no viruses. Thanks, Ted

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Boot to DOS, and load up system.ini Open up the file, and find the line which says 'Shell=Explorer.exe'. Change this line to 'Shell=Progman.exe'. This will give you access to windows using the Windows 3.1 style program manager. This is a useful back door if you need to make backups etc. before you reinstall windows.

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I'm running Win2K with exact problem but with twist. When I search, explorer crashes. Help, please!


On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:37 pm, Dave Harding wrote:
>I have a question about How
>do get the taskbar and desktop back if Explorer crashes:

>I have the same problem but I'm not sure if Explorer is involved. There is no start
>button, no taskbar and no icons. The wallpaper is visible and so is the mouse cursor
>which will move.
>Control+Alt+Delete brings up an empty Task list window with 6 buttons, none of which
>work except to close the window.
>Any help? I need this computer for a seniors' class.
>

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Just to be clear, are you talking about Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer and secondly, what are you searching?


On Sunday, February 2, 2003 at 11:21 am, Bob Veris wrote:
>I'm running Win2K with exact problem but with twist. When I search, explorer crashes.
> Help, please!
>

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