I'm trying to upgrade to 98 but when i use the setup program i get a message before the setup begins gathering system information. the message says disk can not upgrade. use windows 98 upgrade disk 1 and i can not start windows because i moved the files from the folder windows to a dummy folder. i was trying to fool the disk into thinking it was an empty hard drive. it didn't work (it worked on a different computer :{). i need help on ether one.

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Hi carthinain:

OPTION 1:
If you want your Win95 back, try using a floppy BOOTDISK to
get into DOS.  Then, RENAME the folder (directory) where you
put all the Windows files.  Call it C:\WINDOWS

Now, reboot the computer without the floppy.  If you didn't
tamper with anything except the C:\WINDOWS folder, Windows
should come back.

Once you get your Win95 back, you can upgrade it to Win98
with a Win98 FULL INSTALL disk, if you follow the directions
here:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/r1059975805

OPTION 2:
If you don't need to keep anything on the old Win95
computer, use a floppy bootdisk with CDROM support.  It will
contain FORMAT.COM which will let you wipe everything, and
install Win98 from your Win98 FULL installation disk.

OPTION 3:
If "Option #1" didn't work, and you still have stuff on the
old Win95 box that you need to save, I would use a parallel
port ZIP drive (about $10 on eBay).  It will boot from DOS
on a floppy bootdisk, with the right DOS drivers (still
available [believe it or not, bless 'em] on the Iomega
website).

Then you can use DOS to copy the data files from the old
Win95 box to ZIP disk(s) to move them to another (working)
computer.  Note that the DOS "COPY" command will NOT
preserve any long files names.  However . . . 

If you use one of several LFN emulators, you CAN copy the files
with their long file names intact.  More information is
here:
http://sta.c64.org/lfnemu.html 
My favorite is "Odi's LFN Tools."

Good luck.

Jerry

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You might also just try replacing the boot sector with 98 files.

BACK UP everything in c: first, except maybe the swap file. Make a 95 boot disk with 
95's Sys.com (c:\windows\command), just in case.

Boot with a 98 disk, type "SYS c:" ( you may need to copy Sys.com from the 98 cd 
to your floppy) then try your full install.

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here's the thing i don't have any 95 boot disks or the windows 95 disk. how do i put the win 98 files that are on the disk to the windows file. i can only use commands and file names to start windows, so what command could i use to start the windows 98 setup program in dos mode?


On Friday, December 29, 2006 at 2:29 am, Jacob6601 wrote:
>You might also just try replacing the boot sector with 98 files.
>
>BACK UP everything in c: first, except maybe the swap file. Make a 95 boot disk with
>95's Sys.com (c:\windows\command), just in case.
>
>Boot with a 98 disk, type "SYS c:" ( you may need to copy Sys.com from the 98 cd
>to your floppy) then try your full install.

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Hi carthinain:

In your last post, you didn't say whether you needed to save
existing data, or could just go ahead with a fresh
installation of Win98.

In the case of a "fresh installation," you will need a
bootable floppy disk, which you say you don't have.  You can
get one free.  Follow these directions:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/r1065769891

If you need step-by-step instructions for loading the new
Win98, try looking through these:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/1081485181

Jerry

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here's the thing the computer i am on has no floppy drive and i found a gateway system restore disk for windows 95 & 98, but i can't get the 98 part to work, i'm going to check if the 95 will reinstall, just in case it works can someone tell me how to extract the files from the windows 98 boot cd-rom disk. P.S. i don't have internet availability or winzip (or any other thing that can extact zip related files.)on the computer that i'm working on, so i need any knowlodge that can help me. thanks, Carthinain :)


On Friday, December 29, 2006 at 7:24 pm, Jerry wrote:
>Hi carthinain:
>
>In your last post, you didn't say whether you needed to save
>existing data, or could just go ahead with a fresh
>installation of Win98.
>
>In the case of a "fresh installation," you will need a
>bootable floppy disk, which you say you don't have. You can
>get one free. Follow these directions:
>http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/r1065769891
>
>If you need step-by-step instructions for loading the new
>Win98, try looking through these:
>http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/1081485181
>
>Jerry
>

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also if i can't get my computer working i need commands that work in dos mode for 
deleting this directory C:/DUMMY/.(That is where i moved the files that were in windows 
to, and i know that is a stupid file name but i was in a hurry to upgrade. and all 
this happoned over trying to get a optical mouse to work on that computer.)

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Hi carthinain:

No floppy drive at all, eh?  This just gets more
and more complicated, doesn't it?  It's possible
that your computer can boot from a bootable CDROM
disk if the boot order is set properly in the BIOS
setup.

I can't speak for the Gateway "Restore" disks, but
genuine MicroSoft Win95 CDs were NOT bootable. 
Perhaps the Win98 disks were, but I am not
familiar with Win98 installation disks.

If you are managing to get to a DOS prompt somehow
and need help with DOS commands, I can recommend
this little tutorial:
http://www.networkclue.com:80/os/Windows/learning-DOS.aspx

Note that in DOS, commands must be typed EXACTLY. 
For instance, there is a difference between a
"slash" ("/") and a "backslash" ("\").  If you
want to work on a folder called "C:\DUMMY" and you
type "C:/DUMMY", DOS isn't going to do anything
but sit there and pout.

Jerry

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unless thats the gateway that came with the disk, it won't work. you need to download a bootable CD from ??bootcd.com?? (is that right) or get a floppy drive.

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I wont work! then i am imagining that an IBM computer model that is made for win 
95 is upgraded and works. exept for 1 thing, i need to know how to get its authintic 
validation code or know how to use regedit to find where the old one is. (that is 
if the old one will still work as the  authentic validation code.)

P.S. i found the dos-mode keyword for delete (ERASE)
and that is how i by passed the system and upgraded







On Saturday, December 30, 2006 at 1:39 am, Jacob6601 wrote:

>unless thats the gateway that came with the disk, it won't work. you need to download 

>a bootable CD from ??bootcd.com?? (is that right) or get a floppy drive. 

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go to the 2nd thred for the updates on this problem

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Hi carthinain:

It may be possible to retrieve your C-of-A number
for Win95, even on a machine that won't boot all the
way into Windows.

Details are here:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/1064795951

Jerry

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If you want to find the Product Key, CD-Code or Registration Key for any Windows 
version then download

Keyfinder

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Hi Keith:

I think the Jelly Bean Key Finder only works on a 
running Windows system -- which, I think, this is not 
(yet).

Jerry

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Reboot in DOS. Go into C:\WINDOWS. Delete WIN.COM. Or if you are afraid to burn your bridges, rename WIN.COM to WIN.CO. That way you can go back if you change your mind.


On Thursday, December 28, 2006 at 5:42 pm, carthinain wrote:
>I'm trying to upgrade to 98 but when i use the setup program i get a message before
>the setup begins gathering system information.
>the message says disk can not upgrade. use windows 98 upgrade disk 1
>
>and i can not start windows because i moved the files from the folder windows to
>a dummy folder. i was trying to fool the disk into thinking it was an empty hard
>drive. it didn't work (it worked on a different computer :{).
>
>i need help on ether one.

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The exact DOS syntax for renaming that would be:

REN WIN.COM WIN.CO

To navigate thru the directories (folders) use CD as in:

CD \WINDOWS

To change to a different drive, just enter the name of the drive:

C:

While ERASE will erase a file, most people use the synonym DEL.

To make a new directory (let's call it newdir) the command is MD:

MD newdir

To delete a directory the command is DELTREE. It will also delete all files in the directory and all subdirectories.

To see the files in a directory:

DIR /P

You only need the /P if there are more than 20 files.

That is the basics of the COMMAND mode (aka DOS).

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I already fixed this problem. I deleted the win95 files.







On Monday, January 1, 2007 at 7:51 pm, dhm wrote:

>

>The exact DOS syntax for renaming that would be:

>


>REN WIN.COM WIN.CO

>


>To navigate thru the directories (folders) use CD as in:

>


>CD \WINDOWS

>


>To change to a different drive, just enter the name of the drive:

>


>C:

>


>While ERASE will erase a file, most people use the synonym DEL.

>


>To make a  new directory (let's call it newdir) the command is MD:

>


>MD newdir

>


>To delete a directory the command is DELTREE.  It will also delete all files in 
the 

>directory and all subdirectories.

>


>To see the files in a directory:

>


>DIR /P

>


>You only need the /P if there are more than 20 files.

>


>That is the basics of the COMMAND mode (aka DOS).

>
 

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You asked about this upgrade on dec.28 here we are in jan 12 and I assume it's still not done. It's a very simple task! You need a 'setup floppy' 98 and a cd probably 98se. Before you power up, put the floppy in place. The pc will start in setup mode. On the command, format c: (once thats done theres no going back) It will ask you to boot, you select 'boot from cd' only THEN put in the cd. The prompt is E:setup and let it rip. You can then sellect from a list the various component's you wish to install. Follow the prompts exactly. Finally, make sure you have the OEM number, it will ask for it. (right click my computer, properties). Good luck.

Jim


On Tuesday, January 9, 2007 at 5:52 pm, carthinain wrote:
>I already fixed this problem. I deleted the win95 files.
>
>
>

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Dig it!

Congrats.


On Tuesday, January 9, 2007 at 5:52 pm, carthinain wrote:
>I already fixed this problem. I deleted the win95 files.
>
>
>

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it doesn't work. i found no number next to productid, the search didn't find '-oem-'. 
the only thing that i found is 'productid :)' 

p.s. :) is a smiley face 







On Saturday, December 30, 2006 at 8:31 pm, Jerry wrote:

>Hi carthinain:

>

>It may be possible to retrieve your C-of-A number

>for Win95, even on a machine that won't boot all the

>way into Windows.

>

>Details are here:

>http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/1064795951

>

>Jerry
 

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I'm sorry it didn't work.  I just double checked
mine, and it's about 1/3 of the way through the
SYSTEM.1ST file.  the "ProductId" string only
appears once, with the number right after it.

Jerry

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I can't start the key finder because the floppy disk drive isn't working in safe 
mode. i get a message saying "the device is not ready". how do i fix it. 







On Sunday, December 31, 2006 at 8:19 pm, Keith Stanier wrote:

>If you want to find the Product Key, CD-Code or Registration Key for any Windows 

>version then download

>

>Keyfinder 

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Hi carthinain:

If you're absolutely sure the floppy disk drive is
defective, then your machine probably needs to go
into a repair shop.

Let's make sure it isn't a software problem.

Make a BOOTDISK (on a good, working computer) by
following the instructions here:
http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm 

Make sure your new bootdisk works properly by
testing it by making it boot the known-good
computer you made it on.

You may need to adjust the setting in the BIOS
SETUP to make sure the computer looks first to the
floppy drive for an operating system.

Now try it in the broken computer.  Assuming the
BIOS SETUP is properly pointed first at FLOPPY
DRIVE -- and it doesn't work just like it did when
you tested it in the "good" computer, then your
floppy drive really is broken, and it needs
repair, and it is not a "Windows" issue.

Jerry

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I don't have a different computer that operates on windows 95.







On Sunday, March 11, 2007 at 10:10 pm, Jerry wrote:

>Hi carthinain:

>

>If you're absolutely sure the floppy disk drive is

>defective, then your machine probably needs to go

>into a repair shop.

>

>Let's make sure it isn't a software problem.

>

>Make a BOOTDISK (on a good, working computer) by

>following the instructions here:

>http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm 

>

>Make sure your new bootdisk works properly by

>testing it by making it boot the known-good

>computer you made it on.

>

>You may need to adjust the setting in the BIOS

>SETUP to make sure the computer looks first to the

>floppy drive for an operating system.

>

>Now try it in the broken computer.  Assuming the

>BIOS SETUP is properly pointed first at FLOPPY

>DRIVE -- and it doesn't work just like it did when

>you tested it in the "good" computer, then your

>floppy drive really is broken, and it needs

>repair, and it is not a "Windows" issue.

>

>Jerry
 

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The "different computer" does not have to be running Windows 95.  You only need any 
other working computer to be able to download the bootdisk-making-executable file, 
and then make the bootable floppy disk from it.

You can use a Windows 98/SE/ME/2K/XP computer to make a floppy bootdisk for Windows 
95 -- just download the Windows 95 bookdisk-making-file.

Jerry

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