re: Question about 'Windows says it's "Dangerously Low on System Resources"'
Wednesday, September 6, 2006 at 8:22 am
Windows 98 Annoyances Discussion Forum
Posted by Larry
(1327 messages posted)
As far as the System Resources part, this is all an excersize in futility. The Win9x
memory model can't be changed no matter what work arounds you may try: http://www.apptools.com/rants/resources.php
The rest of the stuff was way too long to bother with...
On Tuesday, September 5, 2006 at 9:01 pm, IVORY COAST wrote:
>I have a question about Windows
>says it's "Dangerously Low on System Resources":
>hi!
>it looks like you are all having all the problems i was having. quite nerve racking!!!!
>here are all my notes on the subject. i am posting it here, in the hopes it will
>help you all. my notes are all in all caps so here goes. unfortunately it didn't
>post any of the pictures.
>
>WARNING!!!!!!! BEFORE YOU DO ANY THING READ THE WHOLE THING THROUGH. MAKE SURE
>YOU BACK UP YOUR REGISTRY BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT. NEVER, NEVER, EVER
>TRY TO REMOVE ANYTHING FROM START UP BY USING MSCONFIG. THIS CAUSES THEM TO MULTIPY
>IN THE REGISTRY INTO RUN ONCE, RUN TWICE, RUN THREE TIMES, ETC.
>
>OUT OF RESOURCES
>
>I KEPT GETTING A MESSAGE "SYSTEM IS RUNNING LOW ON RESOURCES" OR " INCREASE THE
#
>OF FILES" OR SYSTEM IS RUNNING DANGEROUSLY LOW ON RESOURCES".
>
>I FOUND SEVERAL THINGS THAT HELPED:
>
>1. GO INTO THE SYSTEM DEVICE MANAGER AND FOR EVERY HARD DRIVE CHECK THE DMA
>BOX. DO THAT FOR THE CD ROM BURNER AND THE PLAYER TOO.
>
>2. TO MAKE THE COMPUTER READ THE LONG FILE NAMES ADD THE FOLLOWING LINE: SET
>DOS16M=2 TO THE BEGINING OF THE AUTOEXECT BAT FILE.
>
>3. REWRITE THE CONFIG SYS AS FOLLOWS:
>
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS/M:1
> FILES=200
> BUFFERS=80
> STACKS=18,256
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> rem DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
> rem DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
> rem DEVICE=ATAP_CD.SYS /S:2 /D:OEMMCD001
>
>I FORGOT WHAT EACH LINE DOES BUT I STOPPED GETTING THE "ADD FILES" WARNING AFTER
>I DID THIS. THE EMM386 LINES HAVE TO STAY REMMED OUT BECAUSE IF YOU ACTIVATE THEM
>I LOSE MY VIRTUAL MEMORY AND YOU HAVE TO REINSTALL WINDOWS 98 SE OVER WINDOWS 98
>SE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS DOES THIS.
>
>4. IF YOU STILL RUN OUT OF MEMORY YOU CAN REMOVE THE THE LITTLE ICONS BELOW THE
>CLOCK AND THIS FREES UP MEMORY. SPYWARE DOCTOR WEBSHOTS AND MAGIC DESKTOP USE A
>LOT OF MEMORY. JUST GOING ONLINE USES A LOT MEMORY. SOMETIMES WHEN INVESTOGRAPH
>PLUS STARTS MISSING ICONS, THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REMOVE THESE CLOCK ICONS.
>
>5. IF YOU STILL HAVE TROUBLE YOU JUST HAVE TO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
>
>6. NOTE: I TRIED LIMITING VIRTUAL MEMORY AND ADDING LIMITS TO VCACHE BUT ALL THAT
>DID WAS MESS UP MY COMPUTER I HAD TO REINSTALL WINDOWS 98 SE. NORTON DIDN'T LIKE
>IT EITHER IT WOULDN'T RUN. WINDOWS 98 SE MANAGES THE VIRTUAL MEMORY SO THERE REALLY
>IS NO NEED TO CHANGE THIS. I THINK THIS IS BECAUSE I HADN'T CHANGED THE CONFIG
SYS
>AND THE AUTOEXECT BAT. IT COULD ALSO BE BECAUSE I FOLLOWED NORTON'S SUGGEST TO
>LIMIT TO 512. THAT DOES NOT WORK. I DID USE STEP BELLOW AND THIS WORKS WELL!
>
>7. IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH FAST SHUT DOWN GO TO MSCONFIG
> START
> RUN
> MSCONFIG
> GENERAL TAB
> ADVANCED
> CHECK THE BOX DISABLE FAST SHUT DOWN (IF YOU HAVE THE SHUTDOWN PATCH INSTALLED
>THIS BUTTON MIGHT NOT BE THERE)
> I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THIS BUT THE BOX LIMIT MEMORY IS CHECKED AND SET TO 999.
>
>8. NOTE: I HAVE 1 GIG OF MEMORY. WINDOWS 98 SE WILL WORK WITH 1.5 GIGS OF MEMORY.
> SOME SAY UP TO 4 GIGS OF MEMORY. SOME SAY THE OFFICIAL LIMIT IS NOW 1 GIG. IF
>YOU HAVE FALSE OUT OF MEMORY WARNINGS, GO TO THE SYSTEM INI AND TYPE THE FOLLOWING:
>
> [vcache]
> MaxFileCache=524288 I THINK MaxFileCache=512000 works better.
>IF THE COMPUTER KEEPS RESTARTING, GO TO THE SYSTEM INI AND TYPE THE FOLLOWING:
> [386enh]
> MaxPhysPage=40000
>
>9. ACCORDING TO MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98 SE DOES NOT SUPPORT BOOT DELAY, SO I DIDN'T
>MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS.
>
>10. I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE REGISTRY AND THERE WAS NOTHING AFTER THE
WORD
>RUN OR LOAD IN THE WIN INI SO I DIDN'T CHANGE THIS EITHER.
>
>11. I DID INSTALL THE WPNPINS.EXE. THAT SEEMED TO HELP EXTENSIVELY WITH THE LOSS
>OF ICONS IN INVESTOGRAPH PLUS, as long as spyware doctor icon is not on taskbar.
> NOTE: I THEN INSTALLED THE LARGEAPP.EXE ON TOP OF IT. WORKS GREAT!
>this can be downloaded at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q86230/
>q86230 discusses: PRB:avoiding "insufficient memory to run"errors.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83363/EN-US/
>unlocking large-model extra data segments q83363
>
>12. I UNINSTALLED SPYWARE DOCTOR. THAT EATS UP A LOT OF MEMORY. UNINSTALLING
IT
>HELPED KEEP ME FROM LOSING MY INVESTOGRAPH PLUS ICONS. SPYWARE DOCTOR KEPT GIVING
>FALSE POSITIVES ANYWAY.
>
>13. I WENT INTO NORTON SYSTEM WORKS OPTIONS AND REMOVED CLEAN SWEEP FROM START
UP.
> NOW WHEN YOU HIT BEGIN CHECK UP IT STILL CHECKS FOR FREE SPACE. SO THIS IS OK.
> HAVING UNINSTALLED SPYWARE DOCTOR AND HAVING REMOVED NORTON CLEAN SWEEP FROM START
>UP LETS ME BOOT UP WITH:
>
>SYSTEM RESOURCES @ 70% FREE
>USER RESOURCES @ 70% FREE
>GDI RESOURCES @ 97% FREE
>
>THIS LEAVES ME WITH THE FOLLOWING ICONS AT START UP:
>
>
>
>IF I THEN EXIT THINGS 1 BY ONE AFTER I HAVE STARTED UP I GET THE FOLLOWING:
>
>EXIT WEBSHOTS EXIT ANYDVD EXIT MAGIC EXIT NETSCAPE
> DESKTOP
>72% 75% 75% 77%
>72% 75% 75% 77%
>97% 97% 97% 97%
>
>SO THAT'S THE MAXIMUM I CAN GET.
>
>NOTE: IF YOU CHECK THE BOX " HIDE THE ICON" INSIDE THE ANYDVD PROGRAM THE ICON
WILL
>DISAPPEAR FROM UNDER THE CLOCK BUT YOU WON'T GET ANY MORE RESOURCES SO LEAVE THE
>BOX UNCHECKED AND TURN IT OFF AFTER YOU START UP.
>
>SO WITH JUST THE SKELTON ICONS BELLOW:
>
>
>YOU'LL HAVE:
>SYSTEM RESOURCES @ 77% FREE
>USER RESOURCES @ 77% FREE
>GDI RESOURCES @ 97% FREE
>
>14. I THINK I MAY HAVE FOUND A SOLUTION TO THE DISAPPEARING ICONS IN INVESTOGRAPH
>PLUS. I FOUND A PROGRAM THAT INCREASES THE ICON CACHE. YOU PUT IT ON YOUR DESKTOP
>AND DOUBLE CLICK ON IT AND IT ADDS TEXT TO THE REGISTRY TO INCREASE IT. ONCE THAT
>IS DONE THEN THAT'S IT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU REFORMAT
>THE DRIVE. YOU'LL FIND THE PROGRAM ALONG WITH COMPLETE INSTRUCTIONS UNDER SCREENCAPTURE
>INCREASE ICON CHACHE. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THIS FROM: http://www.5starsupport.com/info/techinfo4.htm
>
>THE SYSTEM, USER AND GDI RESOURCES IN GENERAL LOST 2 PERCENT. SO THIS IS NOT BAD.
>
>NOTE: YOU SURE CAN OPEN A LOT OF NETSCAPE WINDOWS WITH THIS CHANGE. JUST WONDERFUL!
>
>15. ANYDVD I FOUND OUT IF YOU UNCHECK THE AUTOSTART IN SETTINGS THE ANYDVD ICON
DISAPPEARS
>FROM THE TASKBAR. THEN YOU CAN RUN, WORDPAD CSI, POSITION MANAGER, INTERNET, NETSCAPE,
>BOTH SNAGIT 4.36 AND 7.2, CATALOG BROWSER. THIS TOOK THE RESOURSES DOWN TO:
>
>SYSTEM RESOURCES @ 31% FREE
>USER RESOURCES @ 31% FREE
>GDI RESOURCES @ 56% FREE
>
>YET, I WAS STILL ABLE TO OPEN INVESTOGRAPH PLUS WITHOUT LOSING THE ICONS. SO THIS
>ICON CACHE IS PRETTY GOOD. JUST CAN'T GET THE RESOURCES DOWN TO0 LOW OR IT WILL
>CRASH.
>
>16. THEN GO TO:
>START
>SETTINGS
>FOLDER OPTIONS
>VIEW
>ICON CACH SIZE
>AND SET IT TO 8192
>
>NOW WHEN YOU OPEN TONS OF NETSCAPE PAGES IT WON'T CRASH WHEN YOU OPEN INVESTOGRAPH
>PLUS AND IT WON'T FREEZE UP EITHER.
>
>NOTE: I GOT EVEN MORE ICON CACHE BY CHANGING ALL THE 8192 LINES TO 9000 IN THE
REGISTRY.
>
>17. ONE THING I SHOULD NOTE: UNDER [386Enh] THERE IS A LINE
>MinPagingFileSize=1044480
>I DIDN'T PUT IT THERE AT LEAST NOT THAT I CAN RECALL. AN INTERNET SEARCH SAID,
>" IT DEFINES THE LOWER LIMIT OF THE SWAPFILE". LIMITING THE LOWER LIMIT IS FINE
>BUT NEVER LIMIT THE UPPER LIMIT. IF WINDOWS NEEDS MORE ROOM IN THE SWAPFILE AND
>IT CAN'T GET IT, THE SYSTEM WILL CRASH.
>
>18. SHUTDOWN I WAS HAVING SOME TROUBLE SHUTTING DOWN WINDOWS AFTER AN INSTALL.
>ALSO, IF I TURNED OFF ALL THE PROGRAMS AND DIDN'T COUNT TO 20 BEFORE SHUTING DOWN
>IT WOULD HANG ON THE WINDOW "WINDOWS IS SHUTING DOWN". SO I STARTED LOOKING AT
MY
>SHUTDOWN STUFF. I FOUND AND ARTICLE INTITLED WINDOWS SHUTDOWN AND RESTART CENTER
>TOUBLESHOOTING IN 15 STEPS. SO I ALREADY HAD THESE LINES IN THE CONFIG.SYS BUT
THE
>LINE DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS|EMM386.EXE HAD TO BE KEPTED REMMED OUT BECAUSE IF I STARTED
>THE COMPUTER WITHOUT THE REM IT WOULD GIVE SOMETHING ABOUT VM86MMGR DID NOT LOAD
>OR INSTALL QUIT 1 OR MORE DEVICES IN THE AUTO EXECT.BAT OR CONFIG FILES OR THE FOLLOWING
>ERROR MESSAGE:
>
>INSUFFICIENT MEMORY TO INITIALIZE WINDOWS.
>
>QUIT ONE OR MORE MEMORY- RESIDENT PROGRAMS OR REMOVE UNNECESSARY UTILITIES FROM
YOUR
>CONFIG.SYS AND CLOSE AUTO EXECT.BAT FILES, AND RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
>
>WE HAD STOPPED THIS INITIALLY BY REMMING OUT ALL THE CONFIG SYS LINES:
> rem DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS
> rem DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> rem DEVICE=EMM386.EXE
> rem DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
> rem FILES=30
> rem DEVICE=ATAP_CD.SYS /S:2 /D:OEMMCD001
>
>THEN I MADE ALL THE CHANGES LISTED ABOVE AND THE CONFIG.SYS LOOKED LIKE THIS:
>
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS/M:1
> FILES=200
> BUFFERS=80
> STACKS=18,256
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ANSI.SYS
> rem DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
> rem DEVICE=ATAP_CD.SYS /S:2 /D:OEMMCD001
>
>I ADDED THE NOEMS X=A000-F7FF LINE
> 3 ZEROS
>SO THAT IT LOOKED LIKE THIS:
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS/M:1
> FILES=200
> BUFFERS=80
> STACKS=18,256
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ANSI.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=A000-F7FF
> rem DEVICE=ATAP_CD.SYS /S:2 /D:OEMMCD001
> NUMLOCK=ON
>
>I REBOOTED AND PRESTO THE ERROR MESSAGE DISAPEARED. I TOOK OUT THE LINE AND REBOOTED.
> I GOT THE SAME ERROR MESSAGE BUT TO MY SURPRISE IT SAID THE EMM WAS UNINSTALLED
>AND THE 386 WAS INSTALLED. SO, I PUT BACK THE NOEMS X=A000-F7FF LINE AND LEFT IT
>UNREMMED.
>
>IT SEEMS TO BOOT UP FASTER. NOW WE WILL SEE IF THIS ALSO CURES THE SHUT DOWN PROBLEMS.
>
>NOTE: NOW YOU CAN ALSO REMOVE THE REM FROM THE DEVICE=ATAPI LINE OR LEAVE IT SEEMS
>TO WORK EITHER WAY. I TESTED IT BY RUNNING A CLEANING DISK for the cd player.
THE
>ONLY DIFFERENCE SEEMS TO BE THAT WITHOUT THE REM THE DRIVER SHOWS UP ON BOOT UP.
>
>19. LOST DATA: I HAD SOME PROBLEMS 1 DAY ALL THE SNAGIT JPGS OF THE DIABETES NATURAL
>CURES DISAPPEARED. CHECKING IN THE 293887 UP ON BOTH THE F DRIVE AND THE H DRIVE
>SHOWED THAT THE Q273017 WAS IFSMGR.VXD 4.10.0.2222 WAS INVALID. THE VERSION ...2222
>IS INSTALLED WITH THE WINDOWS 98 SE DISK.
>
>ACCORDING TO MICROSOFT NOT HAVING THE IFSMGR.VXD VERSION 4.10.0.2225 CAN KEEP THE
>CACHE FROM BEING WRITTEN TO DISK THUS CAUSING A LOSS OF DATA AND CAUSE THE SCANDISK
>TO RUN EVEN IF YOU HAD A NORMAL SHUTDOWN.
>
>NOTE: AFTER INSTALLING THIS, WINDOWS HUNG ON SHUTDOWN AT THE PAGE "WINDOWS IS SHUTTING
>DOWN". SO I WENT INTO THE VERSION CONFLICT MANAGER AND RESTORED THE ifsmgr.vxd.
> IT HUNG AT THE CURSOR SO I RESTORED THE asycfilt.dll to version 2.40.4277.1
>IT SHUTS DOWN NOW.
>
>SO I GUESS INSTALLING THE CACHE WRITE DELAY IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. THERE IS A REGISTRY
>WORK AROUND THAT CAN BE DONE BUT I WILL NOT ADD THIS UNLESS I LOOSE ALL MY DATA
AGAIN.
>
>20. KEEP YOUR RESOURCE METER ON DURING ALL THIS. IF IT GOES INTO RED CLOSE SOME
>PROGRAMS. HURRY!
>
>START
>PROGRAMS
>ACCESSORIES
>SYSTEM TOOLS
>RESOURCE METER
>
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