re: Saving Pictures -- The *Modern Browser* solution (et al)
Sunday, January 20, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Windows 98 Annoyances Discussion Forum
Posted by gewg_
(4444 messages posted)
|Hi gewg,
|I have been reading this forum regularly for over a year
|and I anticipated that kind of comment.
| Arminius
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It doesn't cost anyone a dime to step into the current century
and leave behind Internet Exploder's WELL-DOCUMENTED security flaws
as well as abandoning IE's ancient, clunky lack of abilities
(exacerbated by M$ crippling its latest stuff so that will NOT run under W98
as well as by the **No more IE updates for W98 users** thing).
Both
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
and
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=windows
are gratis (ZERO COST). Mozilla browsers are also libre (free as in speech).
My preference is Firefox's big brother, the SeaMonkey suite
(mainly for its integral HTML editor).
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
|I tried Firefox briefly on my old Win98FE installation some years ago
|[...]and did not see the advantage of it.
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It's obvious that you didn't try any extensions.
They make web surfing a joy--instead of a chore in a minefield. More below.
|Besides, it has a reputation for being a resource hog.
|
Now, THAT is true.
In addition, I have to shut down my Gecko browser more often than I would like
because of its imperfect memory usage.
It's a work in progress--but patches are put out constantly
(in stark contrast to M$'s No Mas attitude WRT IE6 & W98).
Opera is much cleaner WRT memory usage.
...and IE benefits in the statistical comparison of resource use
from its being entwined with the entrails of Windoze (a security flaw).
http://www.google.com/search?q=define:chimera
I also rejected Firefox (in favor of the Gecko suite). One big reason was
I found it impossible to do what *I* consider *basic* configuration
thru Firefox's menu (I had been using the suite since v1.2 in 2002 and went back).
I find SeaMonkey's DOM Inspector is very handy as well.
|While IE may have security vulnerablities on paper
|
Yes, Internet Exploder's vulnerablities have been documented FOR YEARS
cache of http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/323070
Those security holes CONTINUE to be widely exploited with simple scripts.
CERT gave **the solution** on that page as well (USE A NON-M$ BROWSER).
Micros~1 Internet-related tools SUCK.
Professional Web developers universally despise Microsoft editors and browsers.
They are PURPOSELY BROKEN:
cache of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
|I have not experienced any serious problems with it myself.
|I don't keep personal details on the computer, I don't do online banking[...]
|
It is very telling about the cluelessness of a business
when it insists on having people use the LEAST SECURE MECHANISM (IE & ActiveX)
to access their financial data.
Your lack of serious infection is testament to YOUR CAUTIOUS BEHAVIOR
rather than a decision to use The World's Least Secure Browser
(and an ancient version of it at that). Luck also plays a part.
While YOU aren't having problems[1], a multitude of posts on this site (and others)
testify to widespread infections from the the gaping security holes in M$ software
--with Internet Exploder being the most obvious entry portal.
|[New ISP doesn't support Win98] (Read: Microsoft-induced forced upgrades.)
|
Definition of the Internet:
"A homogeneous network with a hetrogeneous infrastructure".
IOW, it's about **UNIVERSAL protocols**.
Translation: It's not supposed to matter what you run.
I noted earlier this week
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/1199853459
that ISP software is unnecessary and is universally crap.
|Rather than argue with them or pass up a generous plan
|I went along with it and installed Win 2000 on my internet box.
|
See the link directly above for **what exactly** you need from an ISP.
(There should be no reason you can't connect to ANY ISP using Linux, OS X, etc.
Packets are packets; see "homogeneous", above.)
Of course, NT-based is more stable and more secure than DOS-based
--and of the NT-based OSes, W2k is acknowledged as the least obnoxious
(no Product Activation, no WGA, no DRM).[2]
|[...]IE patches are still being released for IE6sp1 on Win 2000.
|I have to say Win 2000 provides a smoother ride while surfing the web
|than Win 98 ever did.
|If you are concerned about security issues online,
|a patched Win 2000 has much to recommend it over Win 98.
|
The security experts told us YEARS AGO that the 1st step in security is
STOP USING INTERNET EXPLORER.
|All that said, I might give Firefox another try.
|
21st Century capabilities add to your Web experience.
cache of http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2007/08/23/Intermittent-IE-failures
cache of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics#Native_support
As previously noted, extensions make A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
NoScript (or PrefBar or another extension that implements this) is your first step
so you always know *which* scripts are running on your box.
For annoyance abatement: AdBlock Plus[3], FlashBlock, NukeAnything Enhanced,
(actually, look at PrefBar or Mnenhy
before looking at other narrowly-targeted extensions).
To kick your personalized Web experience into overdrive:
cache of http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/index2.html
There are some pages that load for me
in a tiny fraction of what is required with ancient browsers;
this is because I have all the useless junk blocked.
Not having useless crap taking up screen space is nice as well.
|So how did you go saving those pictures?
|
I try to stay away from sites constructed by complete idiots
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.enteringthemindseye.com/boldventure.html
but the other page gave me no problems. (Again: using a Gecko-based browser.)
When I *do* have a problem with images
because of an anal-retentive site owner who defeats right-click,
SeaMonkey (nee Mozilla Suite) does all I ever need:
File; Edit Page (The integral HTML Editor--nee Netscape Composer--opens).
In the HTML Editor:
Mark & copy some text near the image; Switch to (HTML) Source mode;
Search for the text;
Look for the IMG tag or JPG extension near that to get the image's URL.
Put that into the Address Bar of your browser. Bingo!
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Often, just asking for the Image Properties in the WYSIWYG mode of the Editor
will give the image's URL.
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Some SeaMonkey users do View; Page Info; Media to find the image URLs.
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If those don't get you there,
Httracker or WGET can
download an entire page or site as files.
[1] WRT the **Works fine for me** comments that come from IE users,
I'm constantly reminded of the old gem:
"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote" --Robert L. Park, PhD
A fundamental of The Scientific Method is **accounting for ALL the data points**:
browser VERSIONS, software running concurrently, and PEBKAC.
[2] ...and comparing M$ OSes to Unix-like OSes
is like comparing the Wright Flyer to NCC-1701D.
[3] The latest version of Opera also has an (INTEGRAL) Block Content feature
--showing it to be a MODERN browser.
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- re: Saving Pictures (Arminius: Saturday, January 19, 2008 at 11:33 pm)
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