Good browsers, good HTML tools, good companies, good HTML pages
Monday, January 21, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Windows 98 Annoyances Discussion Forum
Posted by gewg_
(4444 messages posted)
|You talked me into installing a different browser. I decided to give Opera a try.
| Arminius
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Opera is solid and efficient (it's my backup) but you won't get
the amazing abilities that come with Gecko's (user-created) extensions.
(Ah, the power of open source software.)
||I also rejected Firefox (in favor of the Gecko suite).
|| gewg_
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|I noticed some of the recent Linux releases are abandoning Firefox
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I think you are wrong there
(not the 1st time this week I've seen something related to this).
I believe you're thinking of the Debian / Mozilla Foundation squabble
over trademarked graphic logos.
cache of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel#Origins_of_the_issue_and_of_the_Iceweasel_name
|in favor of Gecko as well.
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I don't think you understand "Gecko" either.
Gecko is the underlying technology used in ALL Mozilla products (and their offshoots).
When the Mozilla Foundation inherited Netscape's codebase,
they hacked on it a while, then, realizing what a complete mess it was,
they just gave up and started re-coding from zero.
This page shows browsers grouped under their respective rendering engines:
cache of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#Gecko-based_browsers
||[...]ISP software is unnecessary and is universally crap.
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|At least [my new ISP] got that part right.
|They installed little more than the hardware drivers.
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Huh-zah! ...of course, the rest was crapware.
||I try to stay away from sites constructed by complete idiots
||http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.enteringthemindseye.com/boldventure.html
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|I think "complete idiots" is a bit harsh.
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Well, I say, "If the shoe fits..."
|I would say "complete amateurs",
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If you were used to using the W3C Validator, you would recognize results that say
that the page wasn't good enough to even BEGIN checking the actual coding.
It didn't even pass the PRE-test.
It is obvious that the person who slopped together that page
had no clue what he was doing
and didn't know OR DIDN'T CARE that HTML pages can AND SHOULD be validated
BEFORE they are published to the Web.
My guess is that he used a MSFT tool. From my previous post:
::Micros~1 Internet-related tools SUCK.
::Professional Web developers universally despise Microsoft editors and browsers.
M$'s piss-poor analog of HTML (like their piss-poor analog of Java
--as noted in my previous *Embrace, extend and extinguish* link)
is an attempt to BREAK compatibility.
Redmond's crappy tools are the mechanism to accomplish this goal.
Note to all:
If you want to learn "How to Create HTML", find a tutorial that EARLY ON
discusses *What is Valid Code* and *How do I VALIDATE my code?*.
Make sure they DON'T specify Micro$oft tools;
good FREE tools are readily available.
If you are going to *pay* for a tool, get Dreamweaver.
|I have been downloading mp3s from that site for over two years
|and would not have posted the link if I had reason to believe
|there were any dangers at that site.
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Their content might impress you
but I assume that anyone who can't even put together a valid Web page
doesn't know how to secure his site AND won't know when it has been hacked.
With my luck, that would be right after you posted the link. 8-(
||When I *do* have a problem with images
||because of an anal-retentive site owner who defeats right-click[...]
||
|I figured out how to fix right-click problems by trial and error.
|I just save the web page, open it in a text editor, and edit out the offending code.
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|I already noticed one bug in Opera,
|not being able to copy text from the web page and paste it elsewhere.
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While I was posting yesterday, I was thinking about that
--then, last night I ran across this:
http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.asp
Opening it in my HTML editor and viewing the source code reveals:
document.onmousedown=disableselect
Paranoid, small-minded people 8-(
--easily thwarted by anyone with a clue and a parser.
|Thanks for the detailed dissertation.
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No sweat. When we all share the wealth, things get better.
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