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re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . .
Thursday, October 8, 2009 at 10:21 am
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Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted)


The standard for 1997 was Windows95, not Windows98, but I'm only one small part Masochistic for trying Win98 at 166 MHz and 200 MHz, 64 MBs max, and 128 MBs max, respectively, with unflashed BIOSes. The viability of flashed BIOSes back then wasn't good; too many times it went wrong and was unrecoverable.

"Cheap" replacement BIOS ROMs are anything but that, this many years later. That would defeat so many parts of the purposes I'm doing this (making usable old games' PCs out of junk parts I have left over, or the cheapest of eBay stuff that I hadn't kept).

I have my own old Promise drive controllers, so even if 8 GBs is the limit in the BIOS, I can run just about any size that I have available for use (I really had forgotten how very hot the old 10s, 20s, and 30s tended to run, the Maxtors / Quantums particularly). I can't get around the interpretations of DIMM sizes I end up with (everything I tested in the i430TX based Micronics board was either 32 MBs or didn't exist at all, except one 64 MB one that was ID'd as 8 MBs!)

I gave up on the Micronics board finally. It was doing something really wrong to run so very slowly -- maybe at 10% or so of the potential of the P1 MMX 166 in it, and no noticeable improvement when I tried a P1 MMX 233.

Back when the MMXes were the current stuff, I had some semi-generic Taiwanese board from "VIP" with Via's VP3 chipset, and the P1 233. I clearly remember how it ran; that one was still together as recently as 2005, late in the year. Now, I have a couple of Via MVP3 / MVP4 setups to test, and the Soyo board starts out slower than the poorest of snails, really bogged down loading the OS.

Once it's running, it's fine. But the Tekram board with a Via MVP4 chipset loads up much more normally, then it seems quite slow, though not as bad as that Micronics, of course. It's running at 225 MHz (K6-2), while the Soyo has the same basic CPU, set to run at 300 MHz (both are 500 MHz processors for default core speed). I want to try an "nLite" type approach to reducing Win98's system footprint, it any such process ever existed for doing anything other than prying IE loose.

I know, reset the CPUs to their defaults! But I have more method to my madness than that, sorry.

.

Kiwi

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On Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 11:24 pm, gewg_ wrote:
>Kiwi wrote:
>|Microsoft still can't make a decent browser after what, thirteen years of trying?
>|
>We tend to forget they they are just *playing* dumb.
>When everyone has to slow down to match the snail's pace of their "innovation",
>it helps M$'s business model of not surrendering any control they don't HAVE to.
>
>


Written in response to:
re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 11:24 pm)

Responses to this message:
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Arminius: Thursday, October 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm)
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Saturday, October 10, 2009 at 2:16 pm)

All messages in this thread [show all]
-Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Kiwi: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 4:10 am)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Arminius: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 7:43 am)
*re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Kiwi: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 8:28 pm)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 11:05 am)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Kiwi: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 8:34 pm)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 9:16 pm)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Kiwi: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 10:32 pm)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 11:24 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 10:21 am)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Arminius: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 3:41 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 6:13 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Arminius: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 9:18 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 12:04 am)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Arminius: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 2:34 am)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 1:47 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 2:15 pm)
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Arminius: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 9:05 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 2:07 pm)
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 3:24 pm)
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 6:07 pm)
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 1:51 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 1:25 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 6:14 pm)
-re: Maybe a fresh new thread, instead? (Kiwi: Sun, Oct 18, 2009, 8:33 pm)
*re: Maybe a fresh new thread, instead? (gewg_: Mon, Oct 19, 2009, 11:48 am)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Arminius: Fri, Oct 9, 2009, 8:49 pm)
*re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (Kiwi: Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 7:21 am)
*re: Another "Lightweight", it's K-Meleon. (Kiwi: Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 2:50 pm)
-re: As long as it's "Lightweight", there is this as well . . (gewg_: Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 2:16 pm)
-re: The first Lightweight something is running now (Kiwi: Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 6:56 pm)
-re: The first Lightweight something is running now (gewg_: Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 9:25 pm)
-re: Do all of these things still require the intermediate CD construction? (Kiwi: Sun, Oct 18, 2009, 6:56 pm)
-re: Do all of these things still require the intermediate CD construction? (gewg_: Sun, Oct 18, 2009, 9:44 pm)
-re: Do all of these things still require the intermediate CD construction? (Kiwi: Mon, Oct 19, 2009, 4:10 am)
-re: Do all of these things still require the intermediate CD construction? (gewg_: Mon, Oct 19, 2009, 11:55 am)
-re: So far, I haven't seen the Xubuntu GUI illustrated (Kiwi: Mon, Oct 19, 2009, 1:10 pm)
-re: So far, I haven't seen the Xubuntu GUI illustrated (gewg_: Mon, Oct 19, 2009, 3:38 pm)
*re: The fluxbox GUI in DSL doesn't look too bad at all (Kiwi: Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 4:06 pm)
-Broadband that almost isn't (Kiwi: Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 5:35 pm)
*re: Broadband that almost isn't (gewg_: Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 7:24 pm)
-re: So far, I haven't seen the Xubuntu GUI illustrated (gewg_: Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 11:11 am)
-Bee Linux (Kiwi: Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 1:54 am)
*re: Bee Linux (gewg_: Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 8:03 am)
-re: Do all of these things still require the intermediate CD construction? (gewg_: Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 11:25 pm)
*Boot your OS (ISO) without even burning to optical media (gewg_: Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 6:35 pm)
*re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Mon, Feb 7, 2011, 12:37 pm)
-re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (J.R.: Mon, Nov 2, 2009, 8:16 pm)
*re: Wanted: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Mon, Nov 2, 2009, 8:52 pm)
-Found: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Kiwi: Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 12:59 am)
-re: Found: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (gewg_: Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 12:34 pm)
*re: Found: Lightweight Browser for old, slow PC (Kiwi: Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 12:58 pm)
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