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File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am
Posted by Matthew Tilove (1 messages posted)

I have a question about Connect a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:

My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop ('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98 machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine, and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.

Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file sharing is turned on on the XP machine.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:00 am
Posted by Michael (2800 messages posted)

Unless you have one of the machines running a server OS, you won't get them to see 
each other if your transport medium is UTP.
With coax you could use a terminator on one of the cables (with a T-connector), but 
you will have problems otherwise.




On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote: >I have a question about Connect >a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:

> >My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop >('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine >is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98 >machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can >ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine, >and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any >of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not >find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine. >

>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file >sharing is turned on on the XP machine. >

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. >

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 2:52 am
Posted by Matthew (2 messages posted)

You need to right-click the Win 98 (i think) machine's connection and make the 'Domain' and 'Workgroup' names the same.

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 5:44 am
Posted by Wim Remes (1 messages posted)

I have a problem that goes in the same direction. My LAN consists of a 98 Desktop & an XP Desktop. The 98 is running a proxy server for obvious reasons (ICS suxx big time). In the beginning only internet was working for both PC's but they couldn't see eachother on the LAN. Then I found that I need to specifically enable NetBIOS on the XP machine and boom it just found all the shares,printers,... just like that ... (uPnP...oops)... I can access the shares on the 98 machine from XP without a prob, but not the other way around (no it is not an NTFS issue). Furthermore, I am unable to play games on the internet from the XP machine AND it is impossible to upload files (e.g. through ICQ) ... Ping -> OK HTTP -> OK HTTPS -> OK SMTP -> OK POP -> OK Any thoughts, let me know ... cheers; Wim mail me !


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, December 30, 2001 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Gerald (1 messages posted)

My goodness, you are a genious. So simple. Thx.


On Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 2:52 am, Matthew R McAllum wrote:
>You need to right-click the Win 98 (i think) machine's connection and make the 'Domain'
>and 'Workgroup' names the same.

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 10:47 pm
Posted by IT Admin (3 messages posted)

I have the same problem as you, so have you found an answer yet? IT Admin


On Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 5:44 am, Wim Remes wrote:
>I have a problem that goes in the same direction.
>My LAN consists of a 98 Desktop & an XP Desktop.
>The 98 is running a proxy server for obvious reasons (ICS suxx big time).
>In the beginning only internet was working for both PC's but they couldn't see eachother
>on the LAN. Then I found that I need to specifically enable NetBIOS on the XP machine
>and boom it just found all the shares,printers,... just like that ... (uPnP...oops)...
>I can access the shares on the 98 machine from XP without a prob, but not the other
>way around (no it is not an NTFS issue). Furthermore, I am unable to play games on
>the internet from the XP machine AND it is impossible to upload files (e.g. through
>ICQ) ...
>Ping -> OK
>HTTP -> OK
>HTTPS -> OK
>SMTP -> OK
>POP -> OK
>
>Any thoughts, let me know ...
>
>cheers;
>
>Wim
>
>mail me !
>
>
>


>On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 5:46 pm
Posted by Phil Docker (1 messages posted)

I have had a real problem with XP and Win 98 talking. I have just solved it. My problem was that I could not even 'ping' myself, using typing 'ping 127.0.0.1' at the ms dos prompt in Xp. I found it to be NORTON PERSONAL FIREWALL 2002. I unistalled it now my network works great, both was xp-90 and 98-xp. My advice is download the free home firewall on the Sygate web site and throw norton away.... All the best Phil


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 11:00 am, Michael wrote:

>Unless you have one of the machines running a server OS, you won't get them to see 
>each other if your transport medium is UTP.
>With coax you could use a terminator on one of the cables (with a T-connector), 
but 
>you will have problems otherwise.
>
>


>On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote: >I have a question about Connect >a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:

> >My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop >('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine >is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98 >machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can >ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine, >and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any >of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not >find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine. >

>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file >sharing is turned on on the XP machine. >

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > >

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Saturday, February 23, 2002 at 9:53 pm
Posted by Mike (1 messages posted)

>the internet from the XP machine AND it is impossible to upload files (e.g. through
>ICQ) This is due to the lack of open ports to the Windows XP machine from Windows 98. The best configuration I suggest is to REVERT the settings. Remove the proxy server from Windows 98, turn on ICS on Windows XP. Turn on the firewall as well and go to configure the open ports in network properties for the internet connection. Set a static IP for both the computers(when you enable ICS on XP it automatically sets it as 192.168.0.1 with a subnet of 255.255.255.0) so you only really need to set it for the Windows 98 machine. Force the IP of 192.168.0.1 and subnet 255.255.255.0. Next go to the gateway tab and add 192.168.0.1. On the DNS tab, enable DNS, type in anything for the DNS Name(i'm not sure if that makes a difference but apparently not), and add the dns server 192.168.0.1 and then click OK. Reboot and it should work.


On Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 10:47 pm, IT Admin wrote:
>I have the same problem as you, so have you found an answer yet?
>
>IT Admin
>
>


>On Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 5:44 am, Wim Remes wrote:
>I have a problem that goes in the same direction.
>My LAN consists of a 98 Desktop & an XP Desktop.
>The 98 is running a proxy server for obvious reasons (ICS suxx big time).
>In the beginning only internet was working for both PC's but they couldn't see eachother
>on the LAN. Then I found that I need to specifically enable NetBIOS on the XP machine
>and boom it just found all the shares,printers,... just like that ... (uPnP...oops)...
>I can access the shares on the 98 machine from XP without a prob, but not the other
>way around (no it is not an NTFS issue). Furthermore, I am unable to play games
>on
>the internet from the XP machine AND it is impossible to upload files (e.g. through
>ICQ) ...
>Ping -> OK
>HTTP -> OK
>HTTPS -> OK
>SMTP -> OK
>POP -> OK
>
>Any thoughts, let me know ...
>
>cheers;
>
>Wim
>
>mail me !
>
>
>


>On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 8:26 pm
Posted by jase (13 messages posted)

This is a temporary solution to access shared resources on the xp machine from the 98 machine. open a command prompt on 98 machine. enter in "net view \\ip address of xp machine" dont need the quotes now enter "net view \\name of xp machine" this only works for the current session. you will now be able to access xp shares in network neighbourhood. It must be a problem with netbios naming as i understand it. Hope it helps.


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, May 2, 2002 at 5:45 pm
Posted by jon mullkin (1 messages posted)

hey, ime aving troubles with internet file sharing between two networked computers. my main aim is to try to share between PC's over the net. hope you can help me. i have turned file sharing on but it doesn't do anything. i would rather not install any files because my pc is already too overloaded with crap. do you have any trouble shooting tips? thanx jon

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, June 10, 2002 at 9:41 am
Posted by Rob Galante (1 messages posted)

I had the same problem with the following configuration. I have a home network with one XP desktop and one Windows 98 desktop. Neither machine could see the other. When I pinged the machines, I found that the XP machine had an IP address of 169.254.78.1 and the 98 machine had an IP address of 192.168.0.112. So I did some research and found out that when XP or Windows 2000 machines do not receive their IP addresses from a DHCP server, they assign one to themselves from Alternative Private IP Addressing (APIPA), which uses non-routable IP Addresses between 169.254.0.0 and 169.254.255.254, and a mask of 255.255.0.0. So I removed APIPA from the registry by creating a DWORD value for the value 'IPAutoconfigurationEnabled ' at the following registry key and initialized it to 0 (It's not there by default and assumes a value of 1). HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces\CLSID Then I assigned a static IP Address to my XP machine of 192.168.0.1. Note that the CLSID changes for each interface defined on your machine. So search each interface for the one that has the Alternative Private IP stuff in it and add the value above. Now, I can share a printer on my XP machine, and my 98 box sees it and uses it. And both machines can see each other.


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Sandra (1 messages posted)




On Thursday, May 2, 2002 at 5:45 pm, jon mullkin wrote:
>hey, ime aving troubles with internet file sharing between two networked computers.
> my main aim is to try to share between PC's over the net.
>hope you can help me.
>i have turned file sharing on but it doesn't do anything. i would rather not install
>any files because my pc is already too overloaded with crap.
>
>do you have any trouble shooting tips?
>thanx
>jon a) most ISPs block Netbios over internet connections due to viruses. b) install file and printer sharing and enable it for your internet tcp/ip connection (whether it be ethernet or dial-up adaptor) c) this is a VERY bad idea. If your ISP allows netbios over tcp/ip, you are very prone to attack.

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Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 3:25 am
Posted by tim (2 messages posted)

I have 2 winxp and 2 win98SE, I've figured out how to make them see each other and share files and printers, and I've deleted the registry key on the winxp machines to stop them for checking out for printers and whatsits. My problem is that the winxp computers can transfer files pretty quick but when it comes to transferring from win98 to xp the network speed is really slow, before i upgraded the 2 xps from win98, all computers used to have relatively fast speeds (for coax) Is there a way to increase the speed between the two different win OS's

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Saturday, September 7, 2002 at 2:44 pm
Posted by CHris (1 messages posted)

I was waiting for someone to post something about this. I was starting to think it was just me. Before I built an XP machine, I had all perfect-working Win98SE machines talking at full 100Mb ethernet. Since I simply added an XP machine to the network, the traffic across it was dropped. When from the XP machine, trying to move or copy files, it takes nearly an entire minute for the transfer to even begin(And when you're WAITING, a minute can be a very long time). I've heard of a patch for this.. But I'm probably being mislead, because I've never seen anyone else have the problem. I'm still looking, but I'm hoping someone has an idea on why XP is being retarted like this. The other funny thing. When connecting to an FTP server I'm running on the XP machine, it's a decent speed.


On Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 3:25 am, tim wrote:
>I have 2 winxp and 2 win98SE, I've figured out how to make them see each other and
>share files and printers, and I've deleted the registry key on the winxp machines
>to stop them for checking out for printers and whatsits.
>
>My problem is that the winxp computers can transfer files pretty quick but when it
>comes to transferring from win98 to xp the network speed is really slow, before i
>upgraded the 2 xps from win98, all computers used to have relatively fast speeds
>(for coax)
>
>Is there a way to increase the speed between the two different win OS's

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 9:52 pm
Posted by pann1128 (1 messages posted)

Thanks for the tip on the NetBios. Don't now if you already solved the problem of accessing Win XP file from your Win98 computer. I had the same problem, and I resolved it by going to the the "Properties" for each drive (from Windows Explorer) on the XP and adding a user in the "Security" menu. This user must have the same username/password on both machines.


On Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 5:44 am, Wim Remes wrote:
>I have a problem that goes in the same direction.
>My LAN consists of a 98 Desktop & an XP Desktop.
>The 98 is running a proxy server for obvious reasons (ICS suxx big time).
>In the beginning only internet was working for both PC's but they couldn't see eachother
>on the LAN. Then I found that I need to specifically enable NetBIOS on the XP machine
>and boom it just found all the shares,printers,... just like that ... (uPnP...oops)...
>I can access the shares on the 98 machine from XP without a prob, but not the other
>way around (no it is not an NTFS issue). Furthermore, I am unable to play games on
>the internet from the XP machine AND it is impossible to upload files (e.g. through
>ICQ) ...
>Ping -> OK
>HTTP -> OK
>HTTPS -> OK
>SMTP -> OK
>POP -> OK
>
>Any thoughts, let me know ...
>
>cheers;
>
>Wim
>
>mail me !
>
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 9:14 am
Posted by Dan Hoelker (2 messages posted)

The basic issue here is that Windows XP (or 2000) assumes it is talking to a server. If you had Windows NT or 2000 server on the box that has 98 on it things would be fine. There is something differerent in the TCP stacks (I think) that causes this problem. I have seen a work-around for this in the past (having the same problem at home myself after going to XP yesterday), and I was searching for it again when I ran across your post. As I recall it is a registry change to change a TCP parameter (don't recall on which end). If I find it again I will send another reply


On Saturday, September 7, 2002 at 2:44 pm, CHris wrote:
>I was waiting for someone to post something about this. I was starting to think
>it was just me. Before I built an XP machine, I had all perfect-working Win98SE
>machines talking at full 100Mb ethernet. Since I simply added an XP machine to the
>network, the traffic across it was dropped. When from the XP machine, trying to
>move or copy files, it takes nearly an entire minute for the transfer to even begin(And
>when you're WAITING, a minute can be a very long time). I've heard of a patch for
>this.. But I'm probably being mislead, because I've never seen anyone else have the
>problem. I'm still looking, but I'm hoping someone has an idea on why XP is being
>retarted like this. The other funny thing. When connecting to an FTP server I'm
>running on the XP machine, it's a decent speed.
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, October 3, 2002 at 7:47 am
Posted by curtis (1 messages posted)

i have a network of an xp deskto and a win 98 desktop and a router. the router takes care of the internet connection using DHCP and also has a built in switch which is my network medium as well. the computers work great together. just leave domain alone and name the workgroups the same and have netbios enabled on both machine as the network protocal and tcp/ip as your internet protocal. have fun and enjoy the joys of networking


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Mark (1 messages posted)

Chris, Have you had any luck resolving you problem? I have been looking for a solution also. I have a Win98se Desktop and a XP Laptop on a home 10/100 network using a Linksys Cable/DSL router. I can copy files from the Win98 machine to the XP machine OK. A 7Mb file takes less than 10 seconds but going from XP to Win98 takes about 6 or 7 minutes. I did find a work around on the Microsoft site (Knowledge Base Article Q315237) for XP but it didn't help. Don't know what else to check. Thanks!


On Saturday, September 7, 2002 at 2:44 pm, CHris wrote:
>I was waiting for someone to post something about this. I was starting to think
>it was just me. Before I built an XP machine, I had all perfect-working Win98SE
>machines talking at full 100Mb ethernet. Since I simply added an XP machine to the
>network, the traffic across it was dropped. When from the XP machine, trying to
>move or copy files, it takes nearly an entire minute for the transfer to even begin(And
>when you're WAITING, a minute can be a very long time). I've heard of a patch for
>this.. But I'm probably being mislead, because I've never seen anyone else have the
>problem. I'm still looking, but I'm hoping someone has an idea on why XP is being
>retarted like this. The other funny thing. When connecting to an FTP server I'm
>running on the XP machine, it's a decent speed.
>
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 1:49 pm
Posted by dennis ellis (1 messages posted)

I think my problem is the saem as I have read here. I had two win 2k machines networked through an smc router and transerring files took no time at all. THen I installed XP on one of the machines (both with clean installs BTW) and transerring files form the win2k machine to the XP machine take forever. Please let me know if anyone finds a cure. de


On Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 5:08 pm, Mark wrote:
>Chris, Have you had any luck resolving you problem? I have been looking for a solution
>also. I have a Win98se Desktop and a XP Laptop on a home 10/100 network using a Linksys
>Cable/DSL router. I can copy files from the Win98 machine to the XP machine OK.
>A 7Mb file takes less than 10 seconds but going from XP to Win98 takes about 6 or
>7 minutes. I did find a work around on the Microsoft site (Knowledge Base Article
>Q315237) for XP but it didn't help. Don't know what else to check. Thanks!
>
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Eric (1 messages posted)

I am having this same problem. I have an XP machine network to another computer with Windows 98. I can find the comoptuer on the network but it takes forever to transfer files. I try to transfer a 5 mb file and it take 3 or 4 minutes. Has anyone figured out the problem to this? Please help


On Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 5:08 pm, Mark wrote:
>Chris, Have you had any luck resolving you problem? I have been looking for a solution
>also. I have a Win98se Desktop and a XP Laptop on a home 10/100 network using a Linksys
>Cable/DSL router. I can copy files from the Win98 machine to the XP machine OK.
>A 7Mb file takes less than 10 seconds but going from XP to Win98 takes about 6 or
>7 minutes. I did find a work around on the Microsoft site (Knowledge Base Article
>Q315237) for XP but it didn't help. Don't know what else to check. Thanks!
>
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98 (yeah its a b*tch)
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 3:33 am
Posted by Nico (1 messages posted)

i have the same problem. i have 1 98SE and 1 XP pro running in a simple network with a crosscable/switch (without internet yet, i want to get this running first) if i connect one of the computer directly to the cablemodem on the LAN it works perfectly but when i connect them to eachother they can see eachother and share files but takes it hours to transfer a simple file from one station to the other. also when i look at the networking tab in "windows task manager" the network utilization doesn't get any higher than 2%. i found some information about it on a site that has the same problem when using their product and the're still "investgating" the problem.... (AAAAARHG! i need it fixed now! :) )
>
>Below is from a site about ACT!6.0
>
>Situation: You have a LAN with multiple Windows machines that are running various versions of Windows prior to XP (an assortment of Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000 configurations is possible). A single PC running Windows XP has been introduced into your network. The user of this machine has ACT! installed, and accesses a database stored in a network location (not on the local machine). The network works fine on all machines, until the Windows XP machine enters ACT! At that point, all machines on the network except the Windows XP machine slow to a crawl, whether in ACT! or any other program. The Windows XP machine still continues to function without problem.
>
>Solution: Network Collision Resolution This behavior is still under investigation. We believe it may be the result of an optimization in the way Windows XP's TCP/IP backoff protocol deals with network collisions. When a single Windows XP machine resides on a LAN, it may be forgoing the standard backoff algorithm, thereby flooding the network and preventing the other machines from retransmitting. This problem could be encountered with any high-bandwidth operation. ACT! can generate a considerable amount of network traffic if you have several users accessing a shared database. so therefore exposes the issue.
>
>We suspect the slow-down will be most noticeable on a LAN which employs hubs rather than switches (hubs broadcast network packets, effectively flooding all machines).
>
>This hypothesis resulted from a document found in the Microsoft Knowledge Base. It specifically addresses 'High Rate of Collisions on 100-MB Networks: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q315237. Refer to that document for registry modifications for customizing the adaptive backoff algorithm.


On Saturday, September 7, 2002 at 2:44 pm, CHris wrote:
>I was waiting for someone to post something about this. I was starting to think
>it was just me. Before I built an XP machine, I had all perfect-working Win98SE
>machines talking at full 100Mb ethernet. Since I simply added an XP machine to the
>network, the traffic across it was dropped. When from the XP machine, trying to
>move or copy files, it takes nearly an entire minute for the transfer to even begin(And
>when you're WAITING, a minute can be a very long time). I've heard of a patch for
>this.. But I'm probably being mislead, because I've never seen anyone else have the
>problem. I'm still looking, but I'm hoping someone has an idea on why XP is being
>retarted like this. The other funny thing. When connecting to an FTP server I'm
>running on the XP machine, it's a decent speed.
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 5:54 am
Posted by Rob Rowe (1 messages posted)

Read all this thread and experienced most of the problems until I visited ... http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/net-update.asp Followed the tuturial and it all works! Good Luck!


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 10:58 am
Posted by Shaun (4 messages posted)

I have 1 * xp pro machine and 1 * 98 machine connected directly by a cross over cable. The cable and network cards appear to be working ok as the leds repond at either end to something done at the ie. if one machine has its connection speed set to auto it will change in response to alterations made on the other machine. Both machines can ping themselves but not each other. The xp machine shows the name of the 98 machine when I open 'view workgroup computers'. The 98 machine will not let me browse the entire network at all. I have tried turning off xp's internet firewall and a different cross cable to no avail. Any help would be greatly appriciated.

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 11:48 am
Posted by Shaun (4 messages posted)

I have 1 * xp pro machine and 1 * 98 machine connected directly by a cross over cable. The cable and network cards appear to be working ok as the leds repond at either end to something done at the ie. if one machine has its connection speed set to auto it will change in response to alterations made on the other machine. Both machines can ping themselves but not each other. The xp machine shows the name of the 98 machine when I open 'view workgroup computers'. The 98 machine will not let me browse the entire network at all. I have tried turning off xp's internet firewall and a different cross cable to no avail. Any help would be greatly appriciated.

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Friday, November 1, 2002 at 7:04 am
Posted by Alexander Blanco (1 messages posted)

I've had the same problem and what worked was opening the windows explorer, then select Tools...Folder Options. Select the Tab View and in the Advanced Settings List Box make sure that Simple File Sharing is disabled. Let me know if this works


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, December 2, 2002 at 4:43 pm
Posted by Joel (1 messages posted)

I had a bunch of issues with my Win98 box and saw above the "net view \\ip" command. That works, but like the guy said it's only temporary. Does somebody know why this works? And how to solve this type of problem permantly? thanx to all =)

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 7:08 am
Posted by bill truxon (1 messages posted)

Some really incorrect answers....if you want all of these machines to talk, make sure you have tcp/ip protocol on all....ealier verions of windows default network protocol was netbeiu....2000, nt, xp, me default is tcp/ip....as long as you have tcpip protocol loaded, and the same workgroup name for all, with file/print sharing loadded, everything will work...thanks


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 1:48 pm
Posted by anon (64 messages posted)


  I had a similar problem,
   My XP machines had no problem identifying the 98 machine... however the windows 
98 machine refused to identify the network neighbourhood, untill NETBEUI was added 
to the networking protocols....   Hope it helps..

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Anonymizer (1 messages posted)

** I have (1) ME PC and (2) XP's.
** The shared folder(s) on the ME PC were shared as "Full Access Depending On Password". 
** Could see the opposing (2) PCs from each PC and their shares
** Could access all files on both XP PCs from the ME PC and alter the files (i.e. 
full access). 

Although I could see all files on the ME PC from each XP PC, I could not alter any 
file nor could I add new folders to the ME PC from those XP PCs. I tried adding NetBEUI 
to the ME PC but this did not solve the problem. What I DID DO was change 
the name of the user I was logged in as at each XP PC to Admin and viola, I had full 
reign of the ME PC. Hope this helps anyone having the same problem. 

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 6:54 pm
Posted by ampdude (1 messages posted)

ARGH!! i had a long, detailed reply and it got hosed, so here's the condensed version: in my experience, it was NOT necessary to add NetBEUI or enable NetBIOS over TCP. here are the links that helped me: after setting up the ICS, you MUST use a microsoft networking password on the 98 machine as shown here: http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/browse.htm ... even though you can still get to the internet, you will need to use a password to browse the network. ensure the XP printer is shared: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/itpro/networking/printershare.asp ... run the add printer wizard on the 98 machine (use the defalt printer port setting at first), then from the 98 machine, CAPTURE the printer port: http://www.jmu.edu/computing/helpdesk/selfhelp/captureprinterport.shtml finally, if you are running firewall software, DISABLE the 'run at startup' option (start it manually after boot, every time). leaving it enabled at boot has been known to cause connection problems (broadband, lan gaming, etc...) i swear, it worked for me. GOOD LUCK!


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 5:00 am
Posted by Jochen Schroer (1 messages posted)

At the risk of looking dumb, I still can't get the network to connect. We have two Win XP machines and three Win 98 computers connected to a hub. The xp machines see each other and so do the 98 machines. However none of the XP machines sees or pings a 98 machine and vice versa. We checked workgroups, netbios and TCP settings. The settings appear correct to me. During our attempts to resolve the problem, one of the 98 machines was able to share files with an xp computer. However these settings were erased when I installed the network setup disk that was prepared by XP. Can we re-create the setting? Is there a check list, or some resource we can access? Any help would be much appreciated.


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98 (yeah its a b*tch)
Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Ron (1 messages posted)

I found a solution to my problem. I had used a shareware program ( TweakDUN I believe ) and it changed my registry settings. I referred to MS Q158474 and compared my registry settings to Microsoft's default. My culprit was HKEY_Local_Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP with an entry of 2000 for DefaultRcvWindow. I changed it back to the recommended 8192 and a 32 Mb file now takes 25 seconds to copy over instead of the 25 minutes it used to take ! Network utilization went from 0.13 % up to around 16 %. Still not sure why it's not closer to 100% ??? I hope this helps you out ! Now, if anyone can tell me how to get my Win98 PC to access shares on my WinXP Pro ( on a Domain )laptop, I will be grateful. The Win98 workgroup is the same as the WinXP Domain, and eventhough I can 'see' the share, when I try to connect it gives me a Logon Server Not Found error. What am I missing ??


On Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 3:33 am, Nico wrote:
>i have the same problem. i have 1 98SE and 1 XP pro running in a simple network with
>a crosscable/switch (without internet yet, i want to get this running first)
>if i connect one of the computer directly to the cablemodem on the LAN it works perfectly
>but when i connect them to eachother they can see eachother and share files but takes
>it hours to transfer a simple file from one station to the other.
>also when i look at the networking tab in "windows task manager" the network utilization
>doesn't get any higher than 2%.
>i found some information about it on a site that has the same problem when using
>their product and the're still "investgating" the problem.... (AAAAARHG! i need it
>fixed now! :) )
>
>Below is from a site about ACT!6.0
>
>Situation:
>You have a LAN with multiple Windows machines that are running various versions of
>Windows prior to XP (an assortment of Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000 configurations is
>possible). A single PC running Windows XP has been introduced into your network.
>The user of this machine has ACT! installed, and accesses a database stored in a
>network location (not on the local machine). The network works fine on all machines,
>until the Windows XP machine enters ACT! At that point, all machines on the network
>except the Windows XP machine slow to a crawl, whether in ACT! or any other program.
>The Windows XP machine still continues to function without problem.
>
>Solution:
>Network Collision Resolution
>This behavior is still under investigation. We believe it may be the result of an
>optimization in the way Windows XP's TCP/IP backoff protocol deals with network collisions.
>When a single Windows XP machine resides on a LAN, it may be forgoing the standard
>backoff algorithm, thereby flooding the network and preventing the other machines
>from retransmitting. This problem could be encountered with any high-bandwidth operation.
>ACT! can generate a considerable amount of network traffic if you have several users
>accessing a shared database. so therefore exposes the issue.
>
>We suspect the slow-down will be most noticeable on a LAN which employs hubs rather
>than switches (hubs broadcast network packets, effectively flooding all machines).
>
>This hypothesis resulted from a document found in the Microsoft Knowledge Base.
>It specifically addresses 'High Rate of Collisions on 100-MB Networks: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q315237.
>Refer to that document for registry modifications for customizing the adaptive backoff
>algorithm.
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 9:53 am
Posted by Phillip (1 messages posted)

I have had these same problems and tried different things. My first attempt to get my XP and 98 machines talking was using strictly TCP/IP. They would not talk even after checking all settings multiple times. NETBeui didn't work either yet. There must be a way to make them work though I haven't found this yet. I have been able to get things working using IPX/SPX (Netware compatible protocol), though this is a higher overhead protocol.


On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 7:08 am, bill truxon wrote:
>
>Some really incorrect answers....if you want all of these machines to talk, make
>sure you have tcp/ip protocol on all....ealier verions of windows default network
>protocol was netbeiu....2000, nt, xp, me default is tcp/ip....as long as you have
>tcpip protocol loaded, and the same workgroup name for all, with file/print sharing
>loadded, everything will work...thanks
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Friday, February 14, 2003 at 11:38 pm
Posted by Clowns R. Evil (1 messages posted)

Alrighty, I have found a way of viewing WinXP shared files via my winME pc. First off, let me explain the setup. I previously could use internet connection sharing with both computers, pinging each computer wasn't a problem and viewing winme shared files via winxp was easy. The only thing I couldn't do was see my winXP files via the winme machine. Here's how it works: 1. Find out the IP address of the winXP computer. If you don't know, try the following. If you know, skip ahead to step 3. 1. In the winME machine, open up a dos box. (This is simple as going to Start>Programs>Assessories>MS-DOS prompt or/ just click start>run and then type in "command.com", without the quotes) 2. Type "nbtstat -a |more". This will show all the computers connected. Find the IP address that corresponds to the winXP machine. 3. Now, on the WinME machine still, open up notepad(Start>Programs>Assessories>notepad) 4. Type out the IP you found on your WinXP machine. 5. Press TAB once 6. Type in the name of the WinXP computer (ie. GEM, TOM) 7. Now, point to File, Save As... , then name the file "Lmhosts" without an extension. 8. Under filetypes, make it list all files. 9. Save the file in the /windows directory. 10. Now all is done. No need to restart. Go to Start>Search and type in the ip of the winxp machine. Make sure you select search for 'computers' 11. It should now appear. If you get an error when double clicking it, log off the winme system and log on and type in your password. Repeat the search & it should now work. I'm pretty sure this works with Win98 systems since winME is also a part of the win9x kernel.

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Tony (1 messages posted)

Based on my current job as a Technical Support Rep, I found that XP and Win98 systems experience connectivity problems (like dropping drive maps or locking up when running workstation setups for our program). According to Microsoft, a simple Network Wizard must be performed and diskette containing the Network Setup Wizard should be implemented on the Windows 98 system. This has helped. Search Microsoft's website for this information. They are definitely aware of this problem.


On Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 3:25 am, tim wrote:
>I have 2 winxp and 2 win98SE, I've figured out how to make them see each other and
>share files and printers, and I've deleted the registry key on the winxp machines
>to stop them for checking out for printers and whatsits.
>
>My problem is that the winxp computers can transfer files pretty quick but when it
>comes to transferring from win98 to xp the network speed is really slow, before i
>upgraded the 2 xps from win98, all computers used to have relatively fast speeds
>(for coax)
>
>Is there a way to increase the speed between the two different win OS's

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98 (yeah its a b*tch)
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 6:41 pm
Posted by Bruce (1 messages posted)

Thanks for the helpful information - I had the same problem with slow transfers in one direction and gave up trying to find a solution about a year ago. Now It finally works!


On Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 2:23 pm, Ron wrote:
>I found a solution to my problem. I had used a shareware program ( TweakDUN I believe
>) and it changed my registry settings. I referred to MS Q158474 and compared my registry
>settings to Microsoft's default. My culprit was HKEY_Local_Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP
>with an entry of 2000 for DefaultRcvWindow. I changed it back to the recommended
>8192 and a 32 Mb file now takes 25 seconds to copy over instead of the 25 minutes
>it used to take ! Network utilization went from 0.13 % up to around 16 %. Still not
>sure why it's not closer to 100% ??? I hope this helps you out !
>
>Now, if anyone can tell me how to get my Win98 PC to access shares on my WinXP Pro
>( on a Domain )laptop, I will be grateful. The Win98 workgroup is the same as the
>WinXP Domain, and eventhough I can 'see' the share, when I try to connect it gives
>me a Logon Server Not Found error. What am I missing ??
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, March 3, 2003 at 8:10 am
Posted by chris (10 messages posted)

Had the same problem. If you're using WinXP Professional, here is the solution: Use the group policy editor to allow network access with a blank password, which XP disables by default. Here is the url: http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpwin9x.htm


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: Network File sharing - Win 98 to Win XP
Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 6:10 pm
Posted by Tim LaRose (1 messages posted)

Phil -- I want to thank you for your post of 2/19/02. Here it is over a year later, 
and your info has helped me immensely. I too was setting up a network for file sharing, 
and have spent about 12 total hours in frustration. I am an advanced user, and know 
networking, BUT never thought to check the "Norton Personal Firewall" that was running 
on the W98 machine. I disabled it, and BANG the XP computer immediately listed all 
of the file shares, printers, etc. I thought I was going crazy; went and bought new 
NIC's, cables, countless reboots, and reinstalls of the networking software. Well...make 
a long story short, I was on Google and searched for help, and up came your thread 
from this board. Ten seconds later I was up and running, now I can get some sleep.
Many thanks, and Cheers! TL 





On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 5:46 pm, Phil Docker wrote: >I have had a real problem with XP and Win 98 talking. I have just solved it. My >problem was that I could not even 'ping' myself, using typing 'ping 127.0.0.1' at >the ms dos prompt in Xp. I found it to be NORTON PERSONAL FIREWALL 2002. I unistalled >it now my network works great, both was xp-90 and 98-xp. My advice is download >the free home firewall on the Sygate web site and throw norton away.... >All the best >Phil > >

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98 (yeah its a b*tch)
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 7:11 am
Posted by Jim Faliveno (2 messages posted)

Solution? I have 2 networks which are win98 peer 2 peer. When Xp machines are added 
to these networks, the XP machine can take 30 seconds or more to log into a folder 
on a Win 98 machine. We tried all the tricks posted here and elsewhere and spent 
over 100 hours just this week trying to find the solution. 

Yesterday, John McCarthy, a fellow in our organization researching this same problem 
found that by unchecking QoS Packet Scheduler in Network Connections fixed the problem!! 

Now the Win XP machines are just as fast as the Win 98 machines! 


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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 11:05 am
Posted by Chris (1 messages posted)

Microsoft knowledge base 322097 refers to slow connections from an xp machine accessing a 98 machine. It's due to "Windows XP saves the password in the Credential Manager. When you browse the same Windows 98 or Windows Me client, Credential Manager tries to contact a domain controller to validate the password. Because the computers are in a workgroup environment, there is no domain controller, and you must wait until the requests timeout." They also said that the xp service pack 1 fixes it. They didn't address a 98 machine accessing a xp machine.


On Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 3:25 am, tim wrote:
>I have 2 winxp and 2 win98SE, I've figured out how to make them see each other and
>share files and printers, and I've deleted the registry key on the winxp machines
>to stop them for checking out for printers and whatsits.
>
>My problem is that the winxp computers can transfer files pretty quick but when it
>comes to transferring from win98 to xp the network speed is really slow, before i
>upgraded the 2 xps from win98, all computers used to have relatively fast speeds
>(for coax)
>
>Is there a way to increase the speed between the two different win OS's

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Ernest (3 messages posted)


Hi Jochen

Actually i got it working last night and thought it might useful to you guys in this 
forum.   However, this set up is only tested for between 2 PCs (between Win98 1st 
edition PC and WinXP SP1 notebook, in my case) and have not tried with more than 
two PCs.

Let me first give you the current setup in each of my PC/Notebook before getting 
into the configuration steps.  

1)	A standalone PC at home running Win98 1st edition and is configured as a Workgroup 
“Home”.  A 3Com Ether 3 card.
2)	An office notebook with WinXP Pro SP1 configured to login to a Domain name in 
the office via a DNS server and also has a MS Proxy configured.  A 100/10mbps NIC.

For the purpose of file & CD-Rom sharing, a crossed RJ-45 cable is used to link up 
these 2 nodes.  Here are the steps used:

1)	Turn off DNS name lookup on both PC/Notebook
2)	Turn off Proxy lookup on both PC/Notebook
3)	On the WinXP,  go to Local Security Policy and disable the “Account: Limit local 
Account use of blank password to console only”.  This option is “Enable” by default.
4)	Turn off any kind of firewall currently installed on WinXP or Win98. 
I had Sygate installed and firewall protection switched on for the “Local Area Connection” 
in WinXP earlier, it causes my Win98 PC not able to access the shared resources on 
the WinXP although the WinXP node is displayed in the Win98 network neighborhood. 
 Once the firewall protection is removed, the problem is gone for good.

5)	Now, specify an IP address for each of the PC.  In my case, 172.18.1.10 for Win98 
and 172.18.1.20 for WinXP.
6)	Subnet mask for both PCs, 255.255.255.0
7)	Specify the remote PC IP address as the Default Gateway in the local PC.  I.E. 
 Default Gateway for Win98 PC is 172.18.1.20 and 172.18.1.10 for WinXP notebook.
8)	Ensure that “File & Printer sharing for MS network” is added and selected on both 
PCs.
9)	In Win98, in addition to TCP/IP protocol make sure that Netbius is added.
10)	Now, connect up the 2 PC/notebook with the crossed RJ-45. 
11)	Go to the File Explorer window on each of the PC and select whatever you want 
it to be shared.
12)	Reboot both PC and notebook, go to “MY Network Places” in WinXP and “Network 
Neighborhood” in Win98, clik on Entire Network to view the remote node.  It may be 
slow to display the icon, if you don’t see it still, just keep pressing F5 to refresh 
the screen.

As mentioned before, this is set up works fine in my scenario and it might just need 
some modifications to suit some other setup.  Hope this information is helpful.

Thanks







On Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 5:00 am, Jochen Schroer wrote: >At the risk of looking dumb, I still can't get the network to connect. We have two >Win XP machines and three Win 98 computers connected to a hub. The xp machines see >each other and so do the 98 machines. However none of the XP machines sees or pings >a 98 machine and vice versa. We checked workgroups, netbios and TCP settings. The >settings appear correct to me. During our attempts to resolve the problem, one of >the 98 machines was able to share files with an xp computer. However these settings >were erased when I installed the network setup disk that was prepared by XP. Can >we re-create the setting? Is there a check list, or some resource we can access? > Any help would be much appreciated. > >

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Thursday, May 8, 2003 at 10:36 am
Posted by Josh Rodman (4 messages posted)

There are apparently two fixes (as well as standard setup issues, same workgroup, 
guest account on, with password logons, etc) needed to get XP to network correctly 
(fast) on a peer-to-peer SMB network.

I tried to get TCP to work, but with all the extra parameters, I gave up, and instead 
resorted to IPX/SPX with NWLINK NetBIOS. This may not be as fast [when working] as 
TCP/IP, but it sure seems to WORK, and it also eliminates the security headaches 
you must go through to secure SMB on TCP. (Someone is invited to see if they can 
extend these directions to also apply to TCP/IP.)

These are the directions I would suggest:

1. Run all IPX (I have standardized on frame type Ethernet II, as I have found more 
than one suggestion that to make IPX work, a SINGLE frame type must be selected among 
all clients, and that the "auto" setting doesn't work so great) Make sure that Netbios 
is enabled over IPX, and that you "Disable NetBios over TCP/IP" in the Advanced settings 
for TCP/IP.

2. Go into "Network Connections" on the XP machine, and go to the menu item "Advanced" 
-> "Advanced Settings".

Select your Ethernet card in the "Connections" box   and make sure it is listed first 
(MAKE it first, if it isn't) and that under bindings, ONLY "NWLINK IPX..." is checked 
for File and Printer Sharing AND Client for Microsoft Networks, and that they are 
listed FIRST. For other potential Connections, make sure that NONE of them are bound 
to File and Printer Sharing or Client for Microsoft Networks. On the TAB "Provider 
Order" make sure that "Microsoft Windows Network" is first.

3. Make sure that all 98 machines successfully authenticate as Guest, not as a user 
account. You can find this out by going to Event Viewer (one way to get to it is 
by right-clicking on My Computer, and going to "Manage", then looking through the 
list) and to the Security area, and look at some of the audits.

4. [TO BE ABLE TO COPY FAST FROM WIN98 CLIENTS] Make sure that on both client and 
server machines, the keys in

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\RemoteComputer\NameSpace

{D6277990-4C6A-11CF-8D87-00AA0060F5BF}
	
and
	
{2227A280-3AEA-1069-A2DE-08002B30309D}
	
are both deleted. The client side is optional in these instructions, because I've 
not been able to proove it helps.
	
5. [TO BE ABLE TO COPY TO WIN98 FROM XP] See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;321169 
-- these directions worked. I'll note that neither of these values, RequireSecuritySignature 
or EnableSecuritySignature, existed on my system, and they are DWORD values (which 
the article doesn't state, since it ASSUMES they exist). Synopsis: 

Start Registry Editor (Regedt32.exe).

Locate and then click the following key in the registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters

Double-click the RequireSecuritySignature value, type 0 in the Value data box, and 
then click OK. 

Double-click the EnableSecuritySignature value, type 0 in the Value data box, and 
then click OK. 

Quit Registry Editor.

I noticed that I didn't need to restart XP to see the performance difference. No 
more dying/quitting after 35 seconds, but on a 100Full Switched Ethernet connection, 
609MB could be copied in 6-9 minutes in either direction.

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Friday, May 9, 2003 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Josh Rodman (4 messages posted)

The instructions I posted above worked PRIOR to installing SP1. After I installed 
SP1 and went through the whole upgrading critical updates deal, I found I had one 
of the same copy issues--I couldn't copy reliably to a Win98 machine large file data 
FROM the XP machine.

I did some work, modified some more registry entries, researched the Microsoft Knowledgebase, 
and found more than one article [ like 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3ben-us%3b810173 ] that seem to 
indicate there is a problem (probably a "feature") that slows down/breaks file connections 
over SPX. Also, it seems that performance is reduced after SP1 on some networking 
conditions, and more than one article stated something to the effect that a hotfix 
was available if you generated a support call ($ for Microsoft).

My solution: Go back to TCP/IP, and try it again. Suprisingly, I got it to work, 
with the following additional configuration: (Who knows if this would have worked 
the first time...)

In HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters
Add or modify a DWORD "EnableOpLockForceClose" with value 0. This I was able to verify 
was directly responsible for it work or not -- with this value set at 1, it failed, 
but with it at 0, it worked.

So, those who begin by looking for TCP/IP instructions like the IPX/SPX instructions 
above should first add the value "EnableOpLockForceClose" like I've said, and then 
follow the IPX/SPX instructions, steps 2-5, substituting TCP/IP for every instance 
of IPX/SPX.

Summary of whole XP/98 issue:

a. XP can often read fast (may require some help), but not write fast, to 98 machines

b. Large files are harder to transfer than a bunch of smaller ones

c. XP may require modification to (it seems, at most) three areas of the registry,

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\RemoteComputer\NameSpace

d. Good speed depends on exclusively binding a protocol to "Client for Microsoft 
Networks" and "File and Printer Sharing" 

e. Provider order should list "Microsoft Windows Network" FIRST, for best performance

Any feedback is appreciated...

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 4:54 pm
Posted by Josh Rodman (4 messages posted)

Just adding to my experiences listed above: 

IMPORTANT NOTE For those wishing to peer-to-peer network Windows XP and Windows 98: 
On the XP machine, the "Authentication" tab of the network connection properties 
contains a checkbox "Enable IEEE 802.1 authentication for this network" that MUST 
be UNCHECKED. XP seems to have applications that like to turn it on again, so make 
sure this doesn't happen, and suspect that it has when a working scheme suddenly 
does not.

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re: Network File sharing - Win 98 to Win XP
Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:01 pm
Posted by Jamie Boyt (1 messages posted)

I had exactly the same problem with a Win98 machine trying to connect to and share 
files and printer with a WinXP machine (I didn't have a problem with the shared internet 
connection). My problem turned out to be caused by Norton Personal Firewall 2002 
(running as part of Norton Internet Security 2002) as well!

However, there is no need to uninstall the Firewall - if you go into "Internet Zone 
Control" you can add the IP address of the host machine in to the "Trusted" box and 
leave the Firewall active. I'm not sure how effective this would be, as if all communication 
to the client is via the host then I suppose the client would trust all incoming 
communication? You would still get the benefits of the other features of the Firewall 
though (such as a warning when any program tries to go online).




On Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 6:10 pm, Tim LaRose wrote:
>Phil -- I want to thank you for your post of 2/19/02. Here it is over a year later, 
>and your info has helped me immensely. I too was setting up a network for file sharing, 
>and have spent about 12 total hours in frustration. I am an advanced user, and know 
>networking, BUT never thought to check the "Norton Personal Firewall" that was running 
>on the W98 machine. I disabled it, and BANG the XP computer immediately listed all 
>of the file shares, printers, etc. I thought I was going crazy; went and bought 
new 
>NIC's, cables, countless reboots, and reinstalls of the networking software. Well...make 
>a long story short, I was on Google and searched for help, and up came your thread 
>from this board. Ten seconds later I was up and running, now I can get some sleep.
>Many thanks, and Cheers! TL 
>
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Monday, June 16, 2003 at 3:29 am
Posted by jeroen (1 messages posted)

Recently I had the same problems with my win XP and win 98 network. When I wanted to access my win 98 station from my XP station, it was very slow. When I installed service pack 1 everything is working fine now.


On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 4:54 pm, Josh Rodman wrote:

>Just adding to my experiences listed above: 
>
>IMPORTANT NOTE For those wishing to peer-to-peer network Windows XP and Windows 
98: 
>On the XP machine, the "Authentication" tab of the network connection properties 
>contains a checkbox "Enable IEEE 802.1 authentication for this network" that MUST 
>be UNCHECKED. XP seems to have applications that like to turn it on again, so make 
>sure this doesn't happen, and suspect that it has when a working scheme suddenly 
>does not.

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Monday, June 16, 2003 at 7:54 am
Posted by Josh Rodman (4 messages posted)

It ended up being related to my HP Notebook BIOS and Integrated NIC, but I did not 
that Service Pack 1 was not all that was needed to bring performance up to par with 
line speeds. See my other comments for details.





On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 3:29 am, jeroen wrote: >Recently I had the same problems with my win XP and win 98 network. When I wanted >to access my win 98 station from my XP station, it was very slow. >When I installed service pack 1 everything is working fine now. > >

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98 (yeah its a b*tch)
Tuesday, July 1, 2003 at 11:22 am
Posted by Rob (1 messages posted)

YIHAAH! Works! at last my old win98 server is accessible again (normally). Thanks for the solution.


On Friday, March 21, 2003 at 7:11 am, Jim Faliveno wrote:

>Solution? I have 2 networks which are win98 peer 2 peer. When Xp machines are added 
>to these networks, the XP machine can take 30 seconds or more to log into a folder 
>on a Win 98 machine. We tried all the tricks posted here and elsewhere and spent 
>over 100 hours just this week trying to find the solution. 
>
>Yesterday, John McCarthy, a fellow in our organization researching this same problem 
>found that by unchecking QoS Packet Scheduler in Network Connections fixed the problem!! 
>
>Now the Win XP machines are just as fast as the Win 98 machines! 
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 1:55 pm
Posted by John (1 messages posted)

On Monday, March 3, 2003 at 8:10 am, ems wrote:
>Had the same problem. If you're using WinXP Professional, here is the solution:... Howdy Gang, Thanks to all who've contributed to the Win98<->WinXP networking thread. I appreciate all the info. Now, here's what I found with my particular setup: Installed WinXP Pro 5 days ago onto a Promise Technology driven pair of 40GB WD hard drives. My PC is a Micron PIII, 667Mhz. I have (2) other PCs on my network working through (1) Linksys and (1) Addtron switches. Both of the other PCs are Win98SE. I booted to XP and was unable to perform Windows Updates using IE6 via my DSL connection. In fact, I couldn't get ANY downloading to work. I found there was a Windows IRQ sharing conflict between my OEM US Robotics 56k modem (vintage 1999) and the Promise TX2000 RAID card. Loading new drivers for both devices didn't clear the problem. Moving the modem to a different slot helped. So, I left the modem in. My next discovery was sloooooooow networking between PCs (that's how I ended up here via Google). I did the recommended. "check this, check that", and even installed TweakDUN. Same slooooooooooow networking. On a hunch, I pulled the modem. My network is back to normal and hauls a$$. I'm not sure it will help anyone else, but I wanted to offer my experience back to the forum. Regards, John

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Monday, July 14, 2003 at 12:37 pm
Posted by Brian (2 messages posted)

Hi, I had similar problems with Win XP and 98 like everyone else here and tried everything, my 2 main problems were these: 1) Windows XP would take forever to copy files from a Windows 98 computer, and 2) Win98 computers couldn't access my Win XP computers, I went nuts trying everything out. My win98 computers would connect to SOME of my XP computers and others it wouldn't, so I checked the different settings and here were the solutions that worked for me. 1) To make my Windows XP copy faster from Windows 98 I installed the NetBEUI protocol and that seemed to help the speed issue with XP copying from windows 98. 2) The problem with windows 98 not being able to access Windows Xp was the fact that I had the IPX/SPX protocol installed on my XP machine, I removed the IPX/SPX protocol on my XP machine and BOOM windows 98 connected right away. Worked for me. Hope this helps some of you guys that are having the same problems I was. Have fun ;)


On Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 5:00 am, Jochen Schroer wrote:
>At the risk of looking dumb, I still can't get the network to connect. We have two
>Win XP machines and three Win 98 computers connected to a hub. The xp machines see
>each other and so do the 98 machines. However none of the XP machines sees or pings
>a 98 machine and vice versa. We checked workgroups, netbios and TCP settings. The
>settings appear correct to me. During our attempts to resolve the problem, one of
>the 98 machines was able to share files with an xp computer. However these settings
>were erased when I installed the network setup disk that was prepared by XP. Can
>we re-create the setting? Is there a check list, or some resource we can access?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 10:34 am
Posted by shyam (1 messages posted)

First off, I must say that this thread has been immensely helpful: thanks to all 
who have contributed. I think my problem is an XP-98 issue, but I’m not sure. I’ve 
got two computers running XP, and two older ones running 98SE. They’re connected 
by a linksys wireless router. Oddly, the oldest of the computers running 98SE shows 
up on the network. My second computer running 98SE doesn’t show up on any other computer 
as being in the network, yet, I’m able to access all the other computers from it: 
all four computers show up on its network neighborhood, where as three computers 
only show up on the others’ network neighborhoods.

There are no extra, XP particular protocols running on any of the computers, and 
netbios is enabled over TCP/IP. They’re all under the same workgroup name. I don’t 
have any sort of personal firewall installed on any of the computers.  Oddly, when 
I connect an XP into the problem 98 computer by an Ethernet cable, I can’t see the 
problem 98 computer on the network, but I can directly access shared resources. However, 
over the wireless network, I can’t do this. 

Any one have any clues? 

Thanks






On Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 1:55 pm, John wrote: >On Monday, March 3, 2003 at 8:10 am, ems wrote:
>Had the same problem. If you're using WinXP Professional, here is the solution:... > >Howdy Gang, > >Thanks to all who've contributed to the Win98<->WinXP networking thread. I appreciate >all the info. Now, here's what I found with my particular setup: > >Installed WinXP Pro 5 days ago onto a Promise Technology driven pair of 40GB WD hard >drives. My PC is a Micron PIII, 667Mhz. I have (2) other PCs on my network working >through (1) Linksys and (1) Addtron switches. Both of the other PCs are Win98SE. > > >I booted to XP and was unable to perform Windows Updates using IE6 via my DSL connection. >In fact, I couldn't get ANY downloading to work. I found there was a Windows IRQ >sharing conflict between my OEM US Robotics 56k modem (vintage 1999) and the Promise >TX2000 RAID card. Loading new drivers for both devices didn't clear the problem. >Moving the modem to a different slot helped. So, I left the modem in. > >My next discovery was sloooooooow networking between PCs (that's how I ended up here >via Google). I did the recommended. "check this, check that", and even installed >TweakDUN. Same slooooooooooow networking. On a hunch, I pulled the modem. My network >is back to normal and hauls a$$. > >I'm not sure it will help anyone else, but I wanted to offer my experience back to >the forum. > >Regards, > >John

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 7:49 pm
Posted by Jaz (2 messages posted)

Read all over the internet. Found a
solution so posting here for the benefit of many who teared their hairs out using
Win XP for networking.(XP network transfer
speed so slow).

My problem is a bad TCP/IP stack for XP.

Read here on how to do a reset of the TCP/IP stack for Win XP.(Microsoft Knowledge 
base 299357).

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q299357



or a shorter url:

http://tinyurl.com/jlz7


The command line is:

netsh int ip reset c:\resetlog.txt

(where c:\resetlog.txt is the log file)

My reset log showed many errors.

My result: Blazing fast speed transfers just like in Win98 networking!





On Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 3:25 am, tim wrote: >I have 2 winxp and 2 win98SE, I've figured out how to make them see each other and >share files and printers, and I've deleted the registry key on the winxp machines >to stop them for checking out for printers and whatsits. > >My problem is that the winxp computers can transfer files pretty quick but when it >comes to transferring from win98 to xp the network speed is really slow, before i >upgraded the 2 xps from win98, all computers used to have relatively fast speeds >(for coax) > >Is there a way to increase the speed between the two different win OS's

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 7:51 pm
Posted by Jaz (2 messages posted)

Sorry the link is here for those who don't
cut and paste:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q299357






On Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 7:49 pm, Jaz wrote:
>Read all over the internet. Found a
>solution so posting here for the benefit of many who teared their hairs out using
>Win XP for networking.(XP network transfer
>speed so slow).
>
>My problem is a bad TCP/IP stack for XP.
>
>Read here on how to do a reset of the TCP/IP stack for Win XP.(Microsoft Knowledge 
>base 299357).
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q299357
>
>
>
>or a shorter url:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/jlz7
>
>
>The command line is:
>
>netsh int ip reset c:\resetlog.txt
>
>(where c:\resetlog.txt is the log file)
>
>My reset log showed many errors.
>
>My result: Blazing fast speed transfers just like in Win98 networking!
>
>


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YOU CAN setup filesharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 7:37 pm
Posted by Alan (1 messages posted)

If you have a switch hooked up and can access the 'net on both machines but can't 
network the machines themselves, here's a solution that will take you off the 'net 
BUT allow you to transfer files between the 98 and XP systems. 

First, make sure you have Client for Microsoft Networks and File Sharing installed. 

Next, make sure you set up specific folders on both machines for file sharing.  Take 
off any NetBios / NetBeui protocols -- we're going to be using TCP/IP today. 

Another thing to try is to set up the same username and password for both machines. 

Now, for the solution: In the TCP/IP properties on both machines, you're going to 
ASSIGN an IP ADDRESS MANUALLY. 




On the first machine, do something like (you can use this exactly): 10.0.0.2 And on the second machine, do: 10.0.0.3


On both machines set the gateway to 10.0.0.1 and the subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 Once you've done this, you should be able to exchange files just fine. If not, try this: pick a computer (machine #1, for example) and do Start ==> Run ===> \\10.0.0.2 This should bring up the shared folders on machine #2. Finally, dab the tears of joy from your face and then scream at Microsoft for making all of this so darn complicated.


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote: >I have a question about Connect >a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:

> >My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop >('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine >is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98 >machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can >ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine, >and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any >of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not >find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine. >

>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file >sharing is turned on on the XP machine. >

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. >

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Sunday, September 7, 2003 at 5:06 am
Posted by George Martin (2 messages posted)

THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRILLIANT - I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTION TO THIS FOR AGES. MANY MANY THX. :0)))))) George


On Thursday, October 3, 2002 at 7:47 am, curtis wrote:
>i have a network of an xp deskto and a win 98 desktop and a router. the router takes
>care of the internet connection using DHCP and also has a built in switch which is
>my network medium as well. the computers work great together. just leave domain alone
>and name the workgroups the same and have netbios enabled on both machine as the
>network protocal and tcp/ip as your internet protocal.
>have fun and enjoy the joys of networking
>
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98 (yeah its a b*tch)
Sunday, September 7, 2003 at 6:59 am
Posted by George Martin (2 messages posted)

Can I refer you all to Curtis's reply below (Thursday, October 3, 2002 at 7:47 am) which is the only thing that has worked for me on a mixed 98 / XP home network. Go to your win98 machine(s) and in network properties, Client for MS network properties, blank out the DOMAIN name. Perhaps MS should have this on their Knowledge Base? Thanks Curtis! George


On Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 3:33 am, Nico wrote:
>i have the same problem. i have 1 98SE and 1 XP pro running in a simple network with
>a crosscable/switch (without internet yet, i want to get this running first)
>if i connect one of the computer directly to the cablemodem on the LAN it works perfectly
>but when i connect them to eachother they can see eachother and share files but takes
>it hours to transfer a simple file from one station to the other.
>also when i look at the networking tab in "windows task manager" the network utilization
>doesn't get any higher than 2%.
>i found some information about it on a site that has the same problem when using
>their product and the're still "investgating" the problem.... (AAAAARHG! i need it
>fixed now! :) )
>
>Below is from a site about ACT!6.0
>
>Situation:
>You have a LAN with multiple Windows machines that are running various versions of
>Windows prior to XP (an assortment of Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000 configurations is
>possible). A single PC running Windows XP has been introduced into your network.
>The user of this machine has ACT! installed, and accesses a database stored in a
>network location (not on the local machine). The network works fine on all machines,
>until the Windows XP machine enters ACT! At that point, all machines on the network
>except the Windows XP machine slow to a crawl, whether in ACT! or any other program.
>The Windows XP machine still continues to function without problem.
>
>Solution:
>Network Collision Resolution
>This behavior is still under investigation. We believe it may be the result of an
>optimization in the way Windows XP's TCP/IP backoff protocol deals with network collisions.
>When a single Windows XP machine resides on a LAN, it may be forgoing the standard
>backoff algorithm, thereby flooding the network and preventing the other machines
>from retransmitting. This problem could be encountered with any high-bandwidth operation.
>ACT! can generate a considerable amount of network traffic if you have several users
>accessing a shared database. so therefore exposes the issue.
>
>We suspect the slow-down will be most noticeable on a LAN which employs hubs rather
>than switches (hubs broadcast network packets, effectively flooding all machines).
>
>This hypothesis resulted from a document found in the Microsoft Knowledge Base.
>It specifically addresses 'High Rate of Collisions on 100-MB Networks: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q315237.
>Refer to that document for registry modifications for customizing the adaptive backoff
>algorithm.
>

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re: Network File sharing - Win 98 to Win XP
Monday, November 17, 2003 at 7:59 pm
Posted by A Grateful User (1 messages posted)

I went through pretty much the same process short of buying any new hardware. I'm truly grateful of Web sites and postings like these. My problem was not exactly like this but similar. I have a laptop w/ XP Home SP1. For the life of me it couldn't see the 98 SE desktop I also have. All it took was to "disable" the "Norton Internet Protection / Firewall". Bamo! Thanks & Good luck!


On Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 6:10 pm, Tim LaRose wrote:

>Phil -- I want to thank you for your post of 2/19/02. Here it is over a year later, 
>and your info has helped me immensely. I too was setting up a network for file sharing, 
>and have spent about 12 total hours in frustration. I am an advanced user, and know 
>networking, BUT never thought to check the "Norton Personal Firewall" that was running 
>on the W98 machine. I disabled it, and BANG the XP computer immediately listed all 
>of the file shares, printers, etc. I thought I was going crazy; went and bought 
new 
>NIC's, cables, countless reboots, and reinstalls of the networking software. Well...make 
>a long story short, I was on Google and searched for help, and up came your thread 
>from this board. Ten seconds later I was up and running, now I can get some sleep.
>Many thanks, and Cheers! TL 

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re: Network File sharing - Win 98 to Win XP
Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 4:15 pm
Posted by compudude86 (1 messages posted)

thank you very much. i use zone alarm firewall and couldnt understand why my systems couldnt connect. it was the darn firewall. if you have zone alarm, click the firewall tab, turn the "trusted zone" tab to "low", and set your network adapter as "trusted" under the firewall tab's "zones" tab. thank you

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re: File sharing between Win XP pro & ME
Monday, November 24, 2003 at 4:40 pm
Posted by d (1 messages posted)

I am trying to share files from my laptop (xp pro) to me Desktop (ME). XP pro is pretty straight forward about file sharing, but ME is not (at least to me). Unlike the above threads, I need a little help at the very beginning of this process. Only then might I benefit from the above solutions. Can anyone get me started?

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Monty (36 messages posted)

Enable Netbios on your XP pc! Network&settings->properties of your NIC->properties of TCP/IP->Advanced->WINS->select "Enable NetBIOS with TCP/IP" Ok, Ok, Close should do it.. Guido


On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 10:47 am, Matthew Tilove wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>a Windows XP or 2000 system to a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network
:


>
>My network consists of two computers: a laptop ('LAPTOP') running WinXP and a desktop
>('MBT') running Win98. Internet connection sharing is running fine (The XP machine
>is sharing its connection), but I can't get file or print sharing to work. The 98
>machine won't recognize the XP machine in the network neighborhood, although I can
>ping the XP machine and get a response. The XP machine does recognize the 98 machine,
>and all of the shares are displayed in My Network Places - but I cannot access any
>of them. Furthermore, from the XP machine I can't ping "MBT" (I get a "could not
>find host" error), but if I enter the IP address ping works fine.
>


>Both machines are logged in with the same user name and password, and simple file
>sharing is turned on on the XP machine.
>

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Monday, December 8, 2003 at 1:28 am
Posted by Jack (1 messages posted)

I am sharing your pain, identical problem with no obvious solution, dying for the answer. my network is three pc's 2 are winxp which get along fine but the 98 is a one way street - very slow to read from the XP machines! I used to be network adminitrator for a small domain with server and had no probs, it appears that this is a peer to peer network thing. am anxious for any ideas.


On Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 7:50 pm, Eric wrote:
>I am having this same problem. I have an XP machine network to another computer
>with Windows 98. I can find the comoptuer on the network but it takes forever to
>transfer files. I try to transfer a 5 mb file and it take 3 or 4 minutes. Has anyone
>figured out the problem to this? Please help
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 8:28 am
Posted by Eric N. (1 messages posted)

Hi, all I am trying to get a peer to peer network between a single win 98 machine and a single xp machine through a linksys wireless router. Now, thanks to this thread, I am almost there. Here is where I stand: File transfers from the win 98 machine to the XP box work reliably and quickly, starting the transfer from either machine. Now, thanks to the net view // ip trick, I can browse the shared folder on the XP machine quickly, but I can only transfer a VERY small file from XP to win 98, and even then it's slow and clunky. If I try a larger file, >2K, it hangs for a while, looks like it starts, then eventually says the network device or resource is no longer available. If I look at the network status on the 98 machine, it shows the file in transfer is open, and the status never changes. Anybody have any idea what is going on and how to fix it? Thanks.


On Monday, December 2, 2002 at 4:43 pm, Joel wrote:
>I had a bunch of issues with my Win98 box and saw above the "net view \\ip" command.
> That works, but like the guy said it's only temporary. Does somebody know why this
>works? And how to solve this type of problem permantly?
>
>thanx to all =)

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re: Network speed between WinXP and Win98
Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Zoran (1 messages posted)

When you try to view the shared folders on a Win98/ME computer from a Win2000/XP computer, there can be a delay for up to 30 seconds while Win2000/XP tries to determine if "scheduled tasks" are enabled on the other computer. Microsoft admits this is a problem in Q245800. However, you can fix this by deleting the following Registry entry on the Win2K /XP machine: Hive: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE Key: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer \RemoteComputer\NameSpace SubKey: {D6277990-4C6A-11CF-8D87-00AA0060F5BF} Right-click the subkey (the one in curly brackets) and click delete. You may wish to save this key before deleting it, and you should definitely back up the Registry before making edits.


On Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 7:50 pm, Eric wrote:
>I am having this same problem. I have an XP machine network to another computer
>with Windows 98. I can find the comoptuer on the network but it takes forever to
>transfer files. I try to transfer a 5 mb file and it take 3 or 4 minutes. Has anyone
>figured out the problem to this? Please help
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 11:23 am
Posted by Lesley sedgeman (1 messages posted)

Thank you for the advice about Norton. It worked. Lesley


On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 5:46 pm, Phil Docker wrote:
>I have had a real problem with XP and Win 98 talking. I have just solved it. My
>problem was that I could not even 'ping' myself, using typing 'ping 127.0.0.1' at
>the ms dos prompt in Xp. I found it to be NORTON PERSONAL FIREWALL 2002. I unistalled
>it now my network works great, both was xp-90 and 98-xp. My advice is download
>the free home firewall on the Sygate web site and throw norton away....
>All the best
>Phil
>
>

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re: File sharing between Win 98 and Win XP - LONG FILE NAME SHARE
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 5:40 pm
Posted by M Stecher (1 messages posted)

I haven't read every post here, however apart from the obvious firewall, security and permission issues. Windows 98 will not see a Long File Name Share, so make sure you use no more than 8 legal characters and make sure there are no spaces on your Windows XP Share name..


On Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 5:44 am, Wim Remes wrote:
>I have a problem that goes in the same direction.
>My LAN consists of a 98 Desktop & an XP Desktop.
>The 98 is running a proxy server for obvious reasons (ICS suxx big time).
>In the beginning only internet was working for both PC's but they couldn't see eachother
>on the LAN. Then I found that I need to specifically enable NetBIOS on the XP machine
>and boom it just