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Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 3:46 pm
Posted by newless cluebie
(1 messages posted)
I have a question (or ten) about Can't
access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection:
PROBLEM(S):
- General Overview -
Having performed the ICS setup directions as laid out
in http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
1. I am having problems implementing this particular
solution (of changing MTU values) to get a client
computer running Windows ME to reach Internet
sites via a Windows 98 SE LAN w/ Internet
Connection Sharing over a PPPoE connection.
The LAN seems to work fine (I am currently sharing
files between both computers) and my host computer
has Internet connectivity so I am ruling out problems
with the ISP/Internet connection and with the LAN.
However, when attempting to connect to websites on
the client computer, I get the "Page cannot be
displayed" message.
So I tried pinging one machine on the LAN from the
other, and vice versa, and both machines' pings to the
other results in Request timed out errors when
inputting MTU values of lower than around 1400 (1500
to around 1400 results in the fragmentation errors as
documented).
I can't seem to get a successful ping from either
computer to the other no matter how low an MTU
value I input.
2. I have also attempted to implement the solution
suggested on the Microsoft site
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q273587
but I am unable to do this either.
Specifically, my problem seems to be that I cannot
alter my Dial-Up Settings to "Always dial my default
connection" as specified in the above link, even though
the Microsoft page seems to take for granted that I
can.
I am reluctant to mess around with any of my other
settings (in some vain attempt to get Microsoft's
solution to work properly) since my host computer's
Internet access still works (for now) and my LAN still
works fine.
If anyone has any suggestions, or if they can see
some horrible newbie flaw in what I've been doing, I
would appreciate it.
My LAN setup is as follows:
- Internet Connection -
Bell Sympatico High-Speed Edition using EnterNet /
PPPoE (which uses an Efficient Networks SpeedStream
ADSL/Broadband modem connected to the host
machine's 3Com card)
- Host -
Intel Pentium III 933mhz
running Windows 98 Second Edition
3Com EtherLink 10/100 PCI using
Network TeleSystems P.P.P.o.E. Adapter (NTSP3)
AOpen 10/100mbps Fast EtherNet PCI Adapter
- Client -
Sony VAIO PCG-FX301 AMD Duron 800mhz
running Windows Millenium Edition
Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC
(which is connected to the host machine's AOpen card
via A-Link Mini Sized 5-Port 10/100M N-Way Switch)
- Cable -
RJ45 Male/Male Category 5e Patch Cables
(between client and hub, hub and host, ADSL modem
and host)
- Software -
all network cards installed properly (that I can tell)
Internet Connection Sharing running on host
- Firewall -
ZoneAlarm software running on the host machine
Norton SystemWorks running on the client machine
If there is any other information that is required
regarding my setup in order to troubleshoot my
problem, or if you need clarification on exactly what
my problem is, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.
- a newless cluebie
NB. I only know enough to make me dangerous, so please be kind. ;)
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Monday, July 1, 2002 at 11:37 am
Posted by ladge
(1 messages posted)
I am also having this problem any help would be appreciated
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 3:46 pm, newless cluebie wrote:
>I have a question (or ten) about Can't
>access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection:
>
>PROBLEM(S):
>
>- General Overview -
>Having performed the ICS setup directions as laid out
>in http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
>1. I am having problems implementing this particular
> solution (of changing MTU values) to get a client
> computer running Windows ME to reach Internet
> sites via a Windows 98 SE LAN w/ Internet
> Connection Sharing over a PPPoE connection.
>
>The LAN seems to work fine (I am currently sharing
>files between both computers) and my host computer
>has Internet connectivity so I am ruling out problems
>with the ISP/Internet connection and with the LAN.
>
>However, when attempting to connect to websites on
>the client computer, I get the "Page cannot be
>displayed" message.
>
>So I tried pinging one machine on the LAN from the
>other, and vice versa, and both machines' pings to the
>other results in Request timed out errors when
>inputting MTU values of lower than around 1400 (1500
>to around 1400 results in the fragmentation errors as
>documented).
>
>I can't seem to get a successful ping from either
>computer to the other no matter how low an MTU
>value I input.
>
>
>2. I have also attempted to implement the solution
> suggested on the Microsoft site
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q273587
> but I am unable to do this either.
>
>Specifically, my problem seems to be that I cannot
>alter my Dial-Up Settings to "Always dial my default
>connection" as specified in the above link, even though
>the Microsoft page seems to take for granted that I
>can.
>
>I am reluctant to mess around with any of my other
>settings (in some vain attempt to get Microsoft's
>solution to work properly) since my host computer's
>Internet access still works (for now) and my LAN still
>works fine.
>
>If anyone has any suggestions, or if they can see
>some horrible newbie flaw in what I've been doing, I
>would appreciate it.
>
>
>My LAN setup is as follows:
>
>- Internet Connection -
>Bell Sympatico High-Speed Edition using EnterNet /
>PPPoE (which uses an Efficient Networks SpeedStream
>ADSL/Broadband modem connected to the host
>machine's 3Com card)
>
>- Host -
>Intel Pentium III 933mhz
>running Windows 98 Second Edition
>3Com EtherLink 10/100 PCI using
>Network TeleSystems P.P.P.o.E. Adapter (NTSP3)
>AOpen 10/100mbps Fast EtherNet PCI Adapter
>
>- Client -
>Sony VAIO PCG-FX301 AMD Duron 800mhz
>running Windows Millenium Edition
>Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC
>(which is connected to the host machine's AOpen card
> via A-Link Mini Sized 5-Port 10/100M N-Way Switch)
>
>- Cable -
>RJ45 Male/Male Category 5e Patch Cables
>(between client and hub, hub and host, ADSL modem
> and host)
>
>- Software -
>all network cards installed properly (that I can tell)
>Internet Connection Sharing running on host
>
>- Firewall -
>ZoneAlarm software running on the host machine
>Norton SystemWorks running on the client machine
>
>
>If there is any other information that is required
>regarding my setup in order to troubleshoot my
>problem, or if you need clarification on exactly what
>my problem is, please let me know.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>- a newless cluebie
>
>NB. I only know enough to make me dangerous, so please be kind. ;)
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 11:39 am
Posted by Sean Worthington
(1 messages posted)
I have SBC DSL with a USB modem. My XP computer acting as the gateway can reach all
web sites. But all of the other computers on my network that share the Internet connection
Sharring can not reach many pages. Most pages that can't be reached seem to be banks.
I have no idea why they can't reach these pages.
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 3:46 pm, newless cluebie wrote:
>I have a question (or ten) about Can't
>access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection:
>
>PROBLEM(S):
>
>- General Overview -
>Having performed the ICS setup directions as laid out
>in http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
>1. I am having problems implementing this particular
> solution (of changing MTU values) to get a client
> computer running Windows ME to reach Internet
> sites via a Windows 98 SE LAN w/ Internet
> Connection Sharing over a PPPoE connection.
>
>The LAN seems to work fine (I am currently sharing
>files between both computers) and my host computer
>has Internet connectivity so I am ruling out problems
>with the ISP/Internet connection and with the LAN.
>
>However, when attempting to connect to websites on
>the client computer, I get the "Page cannot be
>displayed" message.
>
>So I tried pinging one machine on the LAN from the
>other, and vice versa, and both machines' pings to the
>other results in Request timed out errors when
>inputting MTU values of lower than around 1400 (1500
>to around 1400 results in the fragmentation errors as
>documented).
>
>I can't seem to get a successful ping from either
>computer to the other no matter how low an MTU
>value I input.
>
>
>2. I have also attempted to implement the solution
> suggested on the Microsoft site
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q273587
> but I am unable to do this either.
>
>Specifically, my problem seems to be that I cannot
>alter my Dial-Up Settings to "Always dial my default
>connection" as specified in the above link, even though
>the Microsoft page seems to take for granted that I
>can.
>
>I am reluctant to mess around with any of my other
>settings (in some vain attempt to get Microsoft's
>solution to work properly) since my host computer's
>Internet access still works (for now) and my LAN still
>works fine.
>
>If anyone has any suggestions, or if they can see
>some horrible newbie flaw in what I've been doing, I
>would appreciate it.
>
>
>My LAN setup is as follows:
>
>- Internet Connection -
>Bell Sympatico High-Speed Edition using EnterNet /
>PPPoE (which uses an Efficient Networks SpeedStream
>ADSL/Broadband modem connected to the host
>machine's 3Com card)
>
>- Host -
>Intel Pentium III 933mhz
>running Windows 98 Second Edition
>3Com EtherLink 10/100 PCI using
>Network TeleSystems P.P.P.o.E. Adapter (NTSP3)
>AOpen 10/100mbps Fast EtherNet PCI Adapter
>
>- Client -
>Sony VAIO PCG-FX301 AMD Duron 800mhz
>running Windows Millenium Edition
>Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC
>(which is connected to the host machine's AOpen card
> via A-Link Mini Sized 5-Port 10/100M N-Way Switch)
>
>- Cable -
>RJ45 Male/Male Category 5e Patch Cables
>(between client and hub, hub and host, ADSL modem
> and host)
>
>- Software -
>all network cards installed properly (that I can tell)
>Internet Connection Sharing running on host
>
>- Firewall -
>ZoneAlarm software running on the host machine
>Norton SystemWorks running on the client machine
>
>
>If there is any other information that is required
>regarding my setup in order to troubleshoot my
>problem, or if you need clarification on exactly what
>my problem is, please let me know.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>- a newless cluebie
>
>NB. I only know enough to make me dangerous, so please be kind. ;)
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 5:46 pm
Posted by Clioman
(1 messages posted)
Hehe, that makes two of us. I can't seem to get a hold of the DEEJAY.de homepage,
among others.
On Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 11:39 am, Sean Worthington wrote:
>I have SBC DSL with a USB modem. My XP computer acting as the gateway can reach
all
>web sites. But all of the other computers on my network that share the Internet
connection
>Sharring can not reach many pages. Most pages that can't be reached seem to be banks.
>I have no idea why they can't reach these pages.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Wednesday, October 2, 2002 at 5:44 pm
Posted by hodgdomi
(1 messages posted)
in addition to this article :
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-107
you may also need to edit the branches with 000x (with x being a 1, 2, 3, etc...)
under the following registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans
I actually (which I am not sure if this causes registry problems or not) edited and
if where necessary added the MaxMTU string val to each MaxMTU key under the 000x
branches.
From what I have read, MTU values that work are 1500, 1450, 1452, and 1492. I have
actually read a bunch of different responses from people using different values.
I used 1200 and it worked, go figure! If you open a command prompt, and type the
following command:
ping -f -l 1500 192.168.0.1
you can test what MTU val you will need to enter. To test this, use the above command,
replacing the 1500 with different MTU vals, and replacing the 192.168.0.1 with your
default gateway (chances are you are using ics, if so, your ip is 192.168.0.1).
The desired response from this ping is a positive reply. If you get a "destination
host unreachable response" or a response that says the request needs to be fragmented,
then that is not the MTU val for you. Once you found the val, make the changes to
the registry, restart, ping that val again. If you get a fragmented response, you
should be in business
Good luck! (email me if you need me.)
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 5:46 pm, Clioman wrote:
>
>Hehe, that makes two of us. I can't seem to get a hold of the DEEJAY.de homepage,
>among others.
>
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 12:04 pm
Posted by Sean Worthington
(1 messages posted)
I fixed the problem buy buying a DSL Bridge and chucking my DSL modem. I also bought
static IP Addresses. It is so much better than having to deal with all that driver
stuff.
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Chérie
(1 messages posted)
I'm having the same problem too.. I'm using a client computer, Windows XP Prof.
Service Pack 1, my husband has the host computer using Windows 2000.. we Internet
Connection Sharing over a PPPoE connection... the client computer can't open approx
45% of the webpages... this began when we connected to ADSL.. before then it was
fine when we had a dial up connection... I would love to have the solution to this
problem.. Verizon denys its anything to do with them and appart from the new ADSL
connection, we changed no other settings.
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 3:46 pm, newless cluebie wrote:
>I have a question (or ten) about Can't
>access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection:
>
>PROBLEM(S):
>
>- General Overview -
>Having performed the ICS setup directions as laid out
>in http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
>
>1. I am having problems implementing this particular
> solution (of changing MTU values) to get a client
> computer running Windows ME to reach Internet
> sites via a Windows 98 SE LAN w/ Internet
> Connection Sharing over a PPPoE connection.
>
>The LAN seems to work fine (I am currently sharing
>files between both computers) and my host computer
>has Internet connectivity so I am ruling out problems
>with the ISP/Internet connection and with the LAN.
>
>However, when attempting to connect to websites on
>the client computer, I get the "Page cannot be
>displayed" message.
>
>So I tried pinging one machine on the LAN from the
>other, and vice versa, and both machines' pings to the
>other results in Request timed out errors when
>inputting MTU values of lower than around 1400 (1500
>to around 1400 results in the fragmentation errors as
>documented).
>
>I can't seem to get a successful ping from either
>computer to the other no matter how low an MTU
>value I input.
>
>
>2. I have also attempted to implement the solution
> suggested on the Microsoft site
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q273587
> but I am unable to do this either.
>
>Specifically, my problem seems to be that I cannot
>alter my Dial-Up Settings to "Always dial my default
>connection" as specified in the above link, even though
>the Microsoft page seems to take for granted that I
>can.
>
>I am reluctant to mess around with any of my other
>settings (in some vain attempt to get Microsoft's
>solution to work properly) since my host computer's
>Internet access still works (for now) and my LAN still
>works fine.
>
>If anyone has any suggestions, or if they can see
>some horrible newbie flaw in what I've been doing, I
>would appreciate it.
>
>
>My LAN setup is as follows:
>
>- Internet Connection -
>Bell Sympatico High-Speed Edition using EnterNet /
>PPPoE (which uses an Efficient Networks SpeedStream
>ADSL/Broadband modem connected to the host
>machine's 3Com card)
>
>- Host -
>Intel Pentium III 933mhz
>running Windows 98 Second Edition
>3Com EtherLink 10/100 PCI using
>Network TeleSystems P.P.P.o.E. Adapter (NTSP3)
>AOpen 10/100mbps Fast EtherNet PCI Adapter
>
>- Client -
>Sony VAIO PCG-FX301 AMD Duron 800mhz
>running Windows Millenium Edition
>Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC
>(which is connected to the host machine's AOpen card
> via A-Link Mini Sized 5-Port 10/100M N-Way Switch)
>
>- Cable -
>RJ45 Male/Male Category 5e Patch Cables
>(between client and hub, hub and host, ADSL modem
> and host)
>
>- Software -
>all network cards installed properly (that I can tell)
>Internet Connection Sharing running on host
>
>- Firewall -
>ZoneAlarm software running on the host machine
>Norton SystemWorks running on the client machine
>
>
>If there is any other information that is required
>regarding my setup in order to troubleshoot my
>problem, or if you need clarification on exactly what
>my problem is, please let me know.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>- a newless cluebie
>
>NB. I only know enough to make me dangerous, so please be kind. ;)
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 2:57 pm
Posted by jos
(1 messages posted)
Try with this:
In each client:
- Run regedit
- Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces
- Search for the key that has the IP address of this client (only one has the IP
address).
- Add a new DWORD value, set name MTU and value 5AA (hex)
- Restart
That's all..
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 3:53 pm
Posted by Ant
(1 messages posted)
WOO HOO!!!!!!
Finally found something that worked!!!!
Ant (VERY HAPPY!)
On Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 2:57 pm, jos wrote:
>Try with this:
>In each client:
>- Run regedit
>- Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces
>- Search for the key that has the IP address of this client (only one has the IP
>address).
>- Add a new DWORD value, set name MTU and value 5AA (hex)
>- Restart
>
>That's all..
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 5:36 pm
Posted by Jun Guevarra
(1 messages posted)
Good morning everyone.
Like other posters here, I had the same problem using my DSL over LAN. I could connect
to the internet but could not access some sites (i.e. Microsoft, Amazon, search
pages, etc). Also, I could not send attachments in my Outlook emails. Plain text
emails are fine except for large size emails. Finally found what was wrong with my
system.
My ISP was right, It was my system taht was causing the errors. BTW, my system was:
client:
Win NT SP6
256 ram
PIII 1.2
server:
Server 2003
PIV 2.0
512 ram
gateway:
Win 98
PII 1.0
64 ram
Wingate 4 (firewall/proxy)
The culprit was Wingate 4.0, when I removed it, the gateway computer was able to
connect to the internet and email. But I needed some firewall and proxy software
to share my DSL connection.
I downloaded the following:
FreeProxy - proxy
ZoneAlarm - firewall
Now everything works fine. It is a bit of a hassle though to run 2 softwares instead
of 1 (Wingate) so I am still looking for an alternative for Wingate (proxy & firewall
in one) preferably free.
Thanks.
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 12:21 am
Posted by Bernam Tapang
(1 messages posted)
You really know about this kind of problem. It works right away after I followed
all the instructions.
Now whenever I open more than one website I always end up with one. The rest always
automatically close.
Could you share some of your technological skill what's causing the problem?
Thanks again,
Bernam
On Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 2:57 pm, jos wrote:
>Try with this:
>In each client:
>- Run regedit
>- Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces
>- Search for the key that has the IP address of this client (only one has the IP
>address).
>- Add a new DWORD value, set name MTU and value 5AA (hex)
>- Restart
>
>That's all..
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Sunday, April 4, 2004 at 8:09 pm
Posted by billibit
(1 messages posted)
Thanks, guys. It really solved my big problem.
On Friday, September 26, 2003 at 12:21 am, Bernam Tapang wrote:
>You really know about this kind of problem. It works right away after I followed
>all the instructions.
>
>Now whenever I open more than one website I always end up with one. The rest always
>automatically close.
>
>Could you share some of your technological skill what's causing the problem?
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Bernam
>
>
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 11:04 am
Posted by james
(1 messages posted)
on my win 98 client, in registry editor, i get to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services,
and there is no Tcpip folder. can anyone help me!?
On Sunday, April 4, 2004 at 8:09 pm, billibit wrote:
>Thanks, guys. It really solved my big problem.
>
>
>
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Monday, August 30, 2004 at 5:22 pm
Posted by vishal
(1 messages posted)
ICS has issues with PPPOEA protocol increasingly been used by various DSL providers.
You should keep trying with lower and lower values of MTU until your ping is successful.
For me it worked at 1272.
Read this article form more -
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;319661
One confusing thing in this article is that it talks about changing MTU For the network
connection that has an IP address of 192.168...But keep in mind that you are changing
this on ICS client. And on Client, the TCPIP adapter is configured to "OBTAIN IP
ADDRESS AUTOMATICALLY". So there won't be any IP addresses visible. So basically
don't be confused. Just go to your client, find your network connection ...then find
the adapter ID as per the instructions in the article and change / add the MTU value.
Exit the registry editor and REBOOT.
I have a verizon DSL connection using westell 2200 dual connect modem. My ICS host
is connected to the modem thru a USB port and my ICS host is connected to my ICS
client thru the PCI ethernet card. Peer to Peer network with a perfectly working
ICS. :-)
HTH
On Monday, July 1, 2002 at 11:37 am, ladge wrote:
>I am also having this problem any help would be appreciated
>
>
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 10:48 am
Posted by Mikey
(1 messages posted)
I was experiencing the exact same problem. Two hours on the phone with Dell, two
hours with Microsoft. No one could fix it. Then I tried your advice. I'm not much
of a techie, so REGEDIT is usually a place I don't want to go, but I did it, and
it works! Whoopie! Happy New Year!
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 3:53 pm, Ant wrote:
>WOO HOO!!!!!!
>Finally found something that worked!!!!
>
>Ant (VERY HAPPY!)
>
>
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re: Question about 'Can't access some websites while using a shared PPPoE connection'
Monday, September 11, 2006 at 10:16 am
Posted by Ricky
(1 messages posted)
Like hodgdomi mentioned above... run cmd, and try pinging to 192.168.0.1 ... and
find the correct mtu value. Then download Dr TCP and put in the correct mtu value
for your network card. Sorted. I've just done it on my laptop, which shares the
internet with 2 other comps.
On Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 10:48 am, Mikey wrote:
>I was experiencing the exact same problem. Two hours on the phone with Dell, two
>hours with Microsoft. No one could fix it. Then I tried your advice. I'm not
much
>of a techie, so REGEDIT is usually a place I don't want to go, but I did it, and
>it works! Whoopie! Happy New Year!
>
>
>
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