A friend had a computer that had windows 98se on it, and he changed monitors. Now 
it does not start in windows what can I do? I tried putting the cd into the cd rom 
and it says invalid system disk. Now I have to use a public computer to ask for help 
anyone know what to do? I am not familiar with computers. I do not know computer 
terms the bios says award modular bios v 4.51pc. I need to make sure the settings 
are correct, how can I tell to make sure he did not try to change things in the bios? 
Can anyone tell me what each of the items in the bios should be set at. It says Award 
Bios on the main screen. I have checked all the cables nothing is loose. I figure 
maybe not knowing what he was doing he changed something in the bios. On the left 
side of the screen when I start computer and hit delete to enter set up the bios 
shows this list.
Standard cms setting 
Bios feature setup 
Chipset features setup
Pnp/pci configuration
Load bios defaults
Load setup defaults 
Right side of screen shows 
Integrated peripherals 
Supervisor password 
User password 
Ide had auto detection
Hd low level format 
Save and exit setup 
Exit without saving 
How can I tell if he changed anything does any one have a picture of each of the 
things on list so I can highlight them and see if anything was changed?

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|A friend had a computer that had windows 98se on it
| terri
|
Sounds like "had" might be the operative word.  8-(

|and he changed monitors.
|
That sounds coincidental to me.

|Now it does not start in windows[...]
|I tried putting the cd into the cd rom and it says invalid system disk.
|
Whoa. Whoa.  Back up.  You have a DOS Prompt.  Now type
C:\WINDOWS\WIN    (Enter)
   (Those are BACKslashes.)

IF No_Joy, type
DIR C:\WINDOWS\WIN.COM    (Enter)

IF Still_No_Joy, type
DIR C:\WINDOWS    (Enter)

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See if the computer will start up in Safe Mode.

As the computer starts up hold down the Ctrl key until you see the DOS menu and select 
Safe Mode.

If it starts now then install the drivers for the new monitor providing they aren't 
on a CD.

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Safe mode is still Windows. Monitors don't need drivers, per se.

On Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 2:35 am, Carol J wrote:

>

>Monitors don't need drivers, per se.

>

Monitors do need drivers I assure you. 

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Monitors don't need drivers, per se.
   Carol J

|Monitors do need drivers I assure you.
| Keith Stanier

NO. THEY DON'T.
The files that you (and other UNINFORMED people) call "monitor drivers"
ARE NOT DEVICE DRIVERS.
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A monitor IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GRAPHICS CARD.
That card requires a device driver.
The monitor-specific (NOT Windoze-specific) file is simply a color-correction table.

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On Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 11:51 am, gewg_ wrote:

>Monitors don't need drivers, per se.

>   Carol J

>

>|Monitors do need drivers I assure you.

>| Keith Stanier

Well how come if I do a format and rebuild and install my video drivers I can't set 
my colours above 256 until I install my monitor drivers? 

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Keith Stanier selectively edited out:

||The files that you (and other UNINFORMED people) call "monitor drivers"
||ARE NOT DEVICE DRIVERS.
||[...]
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of http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=en%26page=cms
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||The monitor-specific (NOT Windoze-specific) file is simply a color-correction table.
|| gewg_

...then, having redacted the answer, ignorantly re-asked the question:

|Well how come if I do a format and rebuild and install my video drivers
|I can't set my colours above 256 until I install my monitor drivers?

Can you say "circular argument"?
At this point, one is reminded of the proverb
"There are none so blind as those who will not see".

The original statement was:
|||Monitors don't need drivers, per se.
|||   Carol J

http://www.google.com/search?q=define:per+se


For those with reading comprehension problems:

No one has said the files are not NECESSARY;
an installation process WILL demand them.
A device driver is SPECIFIC TO A PARTICULAR OPERATING SYSTEM,
so these color-correction files ARE NOT DEVICE DRIVERS
--as the SAME file is used for *any* OS.

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Monitors require a driver file, and these are different for every different model of monitor. A monitor sold today usually comes with the driver file on a CD. But the same file is also often available to download from the monitor manufacturer's website.

Even a second hand monitor manufactured in the last 5 years will usually have its driver available for download in this manner.

You need the model number of the monitor, and the name of the manufacturer. Armed with this, you can go to the manufacturer's website and search on the monitor number. You can often do a Google search at http://www.google.com (entering both pieces of information) and come up with the appropriate download location.

You can physically add the driver by booting the computer to a DOS prompt with a bootable floppy disk, then copy the driver file from that floppy disk to the C:\WINDOWS or C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory.

A bootable floppy disk (which in your case *must* be for Win 98SE) can be created easily - go to http://www.bootdisk.com

A faulty Windows registry can often be cured by booting to a DOS prompt outside Windows and typing the following command, then pressing Enter:

SCANREG /FIX

Note the space before the forward slash.

If you can boot to SAFE MODE (press F5 during start up) , go to:

  START > SETTINGS > CONTROL PANEL > SYSTEM

and on the Device Manager tab delete the entry under "Monitors" and reboot normally. You should then be able, at the very least, to start up normally using the default Windows monitor driver (in 256 colours) built in to Windows. But with luck Windows will, on rebooting, detect the new driver file you copied to C:\WINDOWS or C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

An alternative is to use the "Add New Hardware" wizard in CONTROL PANEL to add the new monitor, if - for example - you end up running in NORMAL MODE with the default monitor driver in 256 colours only.

Ed



On Friday, May 11, 2007 at 5:25 pm, terri wrote:
>A friend had a computer that had windows 98se on it, and he changed monitors. Now >it does not start in windows what can I do? I tried putting the cd into the cd rom
>and it says invalid system disk. Now I have to use a public computer to ask for help
>anyone know what to do? I am not familiar with computers. I do not know computer
>terms the bios says award modular bios v 4.51pc. I need to make sure the settings
>are correct, how can I tell to make sure he did not try to change things in the bios?
>Can anyone tell me what each of the items in the bios should be set at. It says Award
>Bios on the main screen. I have checked all the cables nothing is loose. I figure
>maybe not knowing what he was doing he changed something in the bios. On the left >side of the screen when I start computer and hit delete to enter set up the bios
>shows this list.
>Standard cms setting
>Bios feature setup
>Chipset features setup
>Pnp/pci configuration
>Load bios defaults
>Load setup defaults
>Right side of screen shows
>Integrated peripherals
>Supervisor password
>User password
>Ide had auto detection
>Hd low level format
>Save and exit setup
>Exit without saving
>How can I tell if he changed anything does any one have a picture of each of the
>things on list so I can highlight them and see if anything was changed?

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Monitors are Plug & Play devices. Windows itself provides the setup info. in the 
Monitor.inf files. 

As far as I know, it's take the "Correct" graphics/video drivers in order for the 
monitor to display all colors. 

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I believe you're confusing display drivers with monitor "drivers". Monitors are plug and play devices, and Windows provides the setup info. in the monitor.inf file. Those are not drivers.

Device Manager

Device Manager lists two seperate items: "Display adapters" and "Monitors".


Display adapters

The entry under the "Displayer adapters" heading is for the Graphics Controller. This is a pair of .DRV and .VXD driver files (on my system, both are Intel files). On OEM systems, these are installed with Windows. But they are not Microsoft files; they are supplied by the chip manufacturer (in my case, Intel) that supplied the Graphics Controller chip.

In a non-OEM version of Windows, Microsoft can't know which chipset will be used on the motherboard. So Windows may not include the necessary driver files. Nonetheless, the files in question can usually be downloaded from the chip manufacturer's website.


Monitors

The entry under the heading "Monitors" is generated by an .INF file in C:\WINDOWS\INF or a subdirectory of it. But the Windows file MONITORS.INF contains only information on monitors that were available at the time Windows 98 was released.

Today, nine years later, no monitor that you can buy new was available in 1998. Therefore you need an .INF file for it. The manufacturer of the new monitor supplies this file, on a CD. This .INF file is copied to C:\WINDOWS\INF by the installation/setup process. At the same time, one or more large .BIN files (typically 1MB or more in size) will be copied to C:\WINDOWS\INF from the installation CD; these contain the binary data that the new monitor needs.


Installation

So Windows does not provide the necessary files for a current monitor model, although it may do so in the case of a pre-1998 model (e.g. the one that came with your Windows 98 computer originally).

To install a new Monitor, or a new PCI Display Adapter, the simplest procedure is to open Device Manager (Start > Settings > Control Panel > System) and delete the entry for the old monitor or adapter, then shut down normally and switch off. Plug in the new device, and restart the computer. Windows will detect the new device automatically during bootup. Have the CD which came with the device ready, as Windows will ask you for the necessary files, as above.

Whether or not they are actually called "driver" files is unimportant.

Ed




On Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 10:22 pm, Carol J wrote:
>
>I believe you're confusing display drivers with monitor "drivers". Monitors are plug
>and play devices, and Windows provides the setup info. in the monitor.inf file. Those
>are not drivers.
>

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|Whether or not they are actually called "driver" files is unimportant.
| Ed

Well, that would be true for someone who points at a cow and says "horse".

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Firstly, Ed. This copy/paste job is considered plagiarizing. A link would be sufficient. 

I don't need to be educated on the subject, thanks anyway. Monitors will work fine 
with what Windows supplied.. just try it. Normally, the manufacturer of the monitor 
is listed, if you go to change the "driver".

It IS important the way you've referenced it, because both you and Keith insist the 
Monitor "drivers" must be d/l from the mfgr. in order for the monitor to work properly. 
That's not true.

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A link to what, I wonder? I'll feel free to plagiarize my own damn material any time I like.

Current monitors will not work with the 9 year old Windows 98. I installed a new Flatron L1752S monitor just last month, and it needed all the new monitor files that I specified in my previous posting. I did need the files that the manufacturer, LG, supplied on the CD that came with this brand new monitor.

I got lucky. I didn't need to download anything because I had the CD.

Ed




On Friday, May 18, 2007 at 9:50 am, Carol J wrote:
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>Firstly, Ed. This copy/paste job is considered plagiarizing. A link would be sufficient.
>
>I don't need to be educated on the subject, thanks anyway. Monitors will work fine
>with what Windows supplied.. just try it. Normally, the manufacturer of the monitor
>is listed, if you go to change the "driver".
>
>It IS important the way you've referenced it, because both you and Keith insist the
>Monitor "drivers" must be d/l from the mfgr. in order for the monitor to work properly.
>That's not true.
>

Oh, OK... you're own material. I apologize if that IS the case. 

If it's a newer monitor, that's different. That still doesn't make them drivers. 
A monitor is just that, a monitor. Logic tells me, a monitor only requires info. 
so the graphics card can communicate with it, what to display. 

You certainly can't assume that applies to everyone running an older OS. If they 
purchased a new monitor, they would know to use the CD that came with it. Otherwise, 
they do not need anything special in order to work! 



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