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opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Monday, June 25, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Posted by Reuven Ben-Daniel
(83 messages posted)
I have a document created with words97. But I have only words2000. when opening file
I get series of squares.I have also Microsoft WordViewer which is supposed to solve
the problem, but the result is the same. I will be grateful for any help. Reuven
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Monday, June 25, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Posted by dhm
(990 messages posted)
This is going to sound silly but there is a nice 93MB download that can solve that.
It's Open Office, an open source (=freeware) competitor for Microsoft Office:
Its editor, Writer, can open documents for any version of Word and convert them into
another version. It has its own format, .ODT, which Microsoft says it will add to
future versions of Word.
When WinNT 3.0 came out, it wouldn't run Novell networking software and Novell took
a tumble in sales it never got out of while Microsoft introduced its own networking
product. Bill Gates swore it was all an accident. Sun Microsystems is behind Open
Office, largely out of spite towards Microsoft.
Anyway, such a long download is unlikely to happen without an interruption so on
the link cited above there are links to a number of download managers so you can
resume the link. Here's an article comparing such managers:
If you do get it, here's a hint to make OO it run faster. Defrag your disk before
you run the installation program. OO has a lot of little files to access when it
starts and if they're scattered in different places on the disk it can take a minute
to start.
Another hint. OO asks you for a location for a folder of files. Pick any llocation.
That folder is a temp folder and should be deleted right after installation. OO
doesn't tell you that and you would probably hold onto that folder of useless temp
files for a long time until you figured that out.
OO is richly featured but as is traditional for open source software the documentation
is rottenly sparse. It's not hard to use but the learning process includes a lot
of cursing.
On Monday, June 25, 2007 at 10:12 pm, Reuven Ben-Daniel wrote:
>I have a document created with words97. But I have only words2000. when opening
file
>I get series of squares.I have also Microsoft WordViewer which is supposed to solve
>the problem, but the result is the same. I will be grateful for any help. Reuven
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Monday, June 25, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Posted by Reuven Ben-Daniel
(83 messages posted)
Thank you dhm, but I will see if there is any other solution as I am very short on
hd space
On Monday, June 25, 2007 at 10:47 pm, dhm wrote:
>
>This is going to sound silly but there is a nice 93MB download that can solve that.
> It's Open Office, an open source (=freeware) competitor for Microsoft Office:
>
>Its editor, Writer, can open documents for any version of Word and convert them
into
>another version. It has its own format, .ODT, which Microsoft says it will add
to
>future versions of Word.
>
>When WinNT 3.0 came out, it wouldn't run Novell networking software and Novell took
>a tumble in sales it never got out of while Microsoft introduced its own networking
>product. Bill Gates swore it was all an accident. Sun Microsystems is behind Open
>Office, largely out of spite towards Microsoft.
>
>Anyway, such a long download is unlikely to happen without an interruption so on
>the link cited above there are links to a number of download managers so you can
>resume the link. Here's an article comparing such managers:
>
>If you do get it, here's a hint to make OO it run faster. Defrag your disk before
>you run the installation program. OO has a lot of little files to access when it
>starts and if they're scattered in different places on the disk it can take a minute
>to start.
>
>Another hint. OO asks you for a location for a folder of files. Pick any llocation.
> That folder is a temp folder and should be deleted right after installation. OO
>doesn't tell you that and you would probably hold onto that folder of useless temp
>files for a long time until you figured that out.
>
>OO is richly featured but as is traditional for open source software the documentation
>is rottenly sparse. It's not hard to use but the learning process includes a lot
>of cursing.
>
>
>
>
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 4:42 am
Posted by Keith Stanier
(1248 messages posted)
Well I don't know where your problem has come from. When I changed over from MS Office
97 to MS Office 2000 all files opened correctly. Some of my databases needed converting
but this wasn't a problem.
Do you have MS Office 2000 or just Word 2000?
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Better than Microsoft's products at opening old documents
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Posted by gewg_
(3925 messages posted)
(was: opening documents created with [word 97] with [word 2000])
|This is going to sound silly
| dhm
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Not in the slightest.
Software that is MORE CAPABLE than the old standby is no laughing matter.
|but there is a nice 93MB download that can solve that.
|
You do have to DOWNLOAD it all, but if you immediately offload the *install* file
to a CD or thumbdrive, the burden should be minimal.
Here's the kicker:
Those parts of the suite that you don't need/want--don't install them;
do a *custom* install and specify what **you** want.
For most folks, all the Examples/Templates are just bloat anyway.
Already have a Drawing program? Don't install another.
Never deal with PowerPoint presentations? Don't install Impress.
If all you need is Writer, only install *that*.
|It's Open Office,
|
You beat me to it. 8-)
|an open source (=freeware)...
|
It's even BETTER than "freeware": It's FREE SOFTWARE (Don't just think "beer").
cache
of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_software
+software.libre++onerous.licensing.restrictions
cache
of http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
+four.kinds.of.freedom
|...competitor for Microsoft Office:
|Its editor, Writer, can open documents for any version of Word
|and convert them into another version.
|
...and when it comes to backwards-compatibility,
OpenOffice.org is MUCH BETTER at handling M$'s *.DOC format (*.XLS too)
than M$'s own products.
The word LEGENDARY is being applied to OOo ever more widely in this regard.
Note: If your documents use VBA macros, let us know.
|It has its own format, .ODT,
|
Yup. That's Open Document Text--part of Open Document Format
(as in **No proprietary vendor can lock up your documents**).
|which Microsoft says it will add to future versions of Word.
|
dhm,
Ever hear that phrase "kicking and screaming"?
M$ is doing EVERYTHING it can to DEFEAT this
*wherever* it is proposed as a mandatory (open) standard.
--because it will mean the end of their stranglehold on office software.
Step right up.
Be the first on your block to spit in BillG's face.
|[...]Sun Microsystems is behind Open Office,
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Yup.
|largely out of spite towards Microsoft.
|
Oh, I don't know about that. 8-)
|[...]download managers[...]
|
Yup. Makes life so much easier.
|[...]Defrag your disk before you run the installation program[...]
|
A great (not-so-little) tip.
The *Custom Install* I mentioned can eliminate a lot of the *little files*.
|OO is richly featured but as is traditional for open source software[,]
|the documentation is rottenly sparse.
|
...but that doesn't mean there isn't LOTS of help out there:
cache
of http://support.openoffice.org/
The Usenet Archive q=ingroup:openoffice
|It's not hard to use but the learning process includes a lot of cursing.
|
Now dhm is going to name the app with similar power where this isn't true.
8-)
...and of course, Keith chimed in with a **M$O works for my mother** comment.
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Posted by MartinM
(5115 messages posted)
Are you referring to Word or Works ?? The answer will be different . . .
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 12:40 am
Posted by Reuven Ben-Daniel
(83 messages posted)
I wish to thank all the contributors to my query. I was doing this for a friend who
now is running XP, and who saved this file with windows98se. Checking 2 of his other
files( part of a series) they opened perfectly. I do not understand perfectly, but
according to Microsoft,if you are composing a document on Words and you do some action,which
is perfectly legitimate, and you save whilst under this action without returning
to the normal mode, the document will open with squares. so it appears that this
file is lost!
On Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 9:33 pm, MartinM wrote:
>Are you referring to Word or Works ?? The answer will be different . . .
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 9:33 am
Posted by gewg_
(3925 messages posted)
|I was doing this for a friend who now is running XP,
|and who saved this file with windows98se.
| Reuven Ben-Daniel
|
The operating system shouldn't matter.
Indeed, the combination and sequence you note
should never cause the slightest rustle.
(Systems running NTFS should have no problem with any form of FAT).
|Checking 2 of his other files( part of a series) they opened perfectly.
|I do not understand perfectly, but according to Microsoft,
|
A link to the page you found with this information would be nice.
These posts are archived by this site and are indexed by Google, Yahoo, etc.
In the future, someone may have an indentical query
and a *complete* accounting of the process would be valuable.
|...if you are composing a document on Words...
|
That's "Microsoft Word" (singular).
|...and you do some action,which is perfectly legitimate,
|and you save whilst under this action without returning to the normal mode,
|the document will open with squares.
|
Again, a link to that description would be useful.
|so it appears that this file is lost!
|
The way M$Word files are saved is just ridiculous.
A snapshot is taken of the RAM holding the data.
As M$ operating systems don't separate *instructions* from *data* in RAM
(or even *data from App1* from *data from App2*),
document corruption is quite common.
It's a shame that this lousy proprietary paradigm has become "the standard"
for formatted text documents.
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Posted by MartinM
(5115 messages posted)
Are you referring to Word or Works ?? The answer will be different . . .
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re: opening documents created with words97 with words2000
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Reuven Ben-Daniel
(83 messages posted)
Perhaps I have mislead you in talking about the file opening and showing squares.this
is a pasting from the first part of the document.
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On Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 9:33 am, gewg_ wrote:
>|I was doing this for a friend who now is running XP,
>|and who saved this file with windows98se.
>| Reuven Ben-Daniel
>|
>The operating system shouldn't matter.
>Indeed, the combination and sequence you note
>should never cause the slightest rustle.
>(Systems running NTFS should have no problem with any form of FAT).
>
>|Checking 2 of his other files( part of a series) they opened perfectly.
>|I do not understand perfectly, but according to Microsoft,
>|
>A link to the page you found with this information would be nice.
>
>These posts are archived by this site and are indexed by Google, Yahoo, etc.
>In the future, someone may have an indentical query
>and a *complete* accounting of the process would be valuable.
>
>|...if you are composing a document on Words...
>|
>That's "Microsoft Word" (singular).
>
>|...and you do some action,which is perfectly legitimate,
>|and you save whilst under this action without returning to the normal mode,
>|the document will open with squares.
>|
>Again, a link to that description would be useful.
>
>|so it appears that this file is lost!
>|
>The way M$Word files are saved is just ridiculous.
>A snapshot is taken of the RAM holding the data.
>As M$ operating systems don't separate *instructions* from *data* in RAM
>(or even *data from App1* from *data from App2*),
>document corruption is quite common.
>
>It's a shame that this lousy proprietary paradigm has become "the standard"
>for formatted text documents.
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