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wrong free space
Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Darkstalker (4 messages posted)

I recently got a 250 GB usb hdd from lacie. I put things on the hard drive and it reported the free&used space fine. When I restarted the pc it went through the process of recognizing it as new hardware even though it was able to recognize it before. It changed the free&used space to if it was unused and will only report space being used for newly added files and not the previously added ones. In the past I would have used scandisk to repair the boot record to fix this but since the hard drive is >137GB and I am on win98se I don't think I could. I need a disk repair utility for win98se that can handle hard drives >137GB that lacie didn't provide with the hard drive. Lacie thinks this is a symptom of data corruption and wants me to partition+format the hdd with their program. The previously added data and new data aren't corrupt.

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re: wrong free space
Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 9:38 am
Posted by C K (5902 messages posted)

Even if the computers BIOS will handle more than 137 gig, Win 98/SE/ME is limited 
to 137 gig.  It doesn't support 48 bit LBA needed to address more than 137 gig so 
you will corrupt the drive/files if you attempt to write to regions beyond that limit 
on the drive, even if partitioned.  There is no repair for corrupted data.  Also, 
the Win 9X drive maintenance utilities won't handle the regions beyond 137 gig barriar 
so they will also corrupt your data when they run and access the regions above 137 
gig.  Your whole drive will probably corrupt at that point.

Read here:

http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm

Again, when corruption takes place, there is no repair/recovery.  Hope you have backups!!! 
 :-(

You will need to move the data off the drive and partition it to 137 gig, or a few 
gig less to be safe, and not partition the rest, or if you do, just not use it.  
To be safe though, if you are only using it on a Win 9X system, is to just not partition 
the rest of the space and only use the first 137 gig so that you don't risk the corruption 
problem again.  Sadly this pertians to a drive connected to the IDE ports internally, 
or a USB drive.  It's an OS issue that MS has no intention of fixing as it is out 
of support and would need some extensive rewriting to fix, and there are no fixes 
or utilities from the drive manufacturers as it is an OS issue.  The DDO programs 
were for a different issue involving the BIOS, NOT the OS..  Sorry..






On Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 6:50 pm, Darkstalker wrote:
>I recently got a 250 GB usb hdd from lacie. I put things on the hard drive and it
>reported the free&used space fine. When I restarted the pc it went through the process
>of recognizing it as new hardware even though it was able to recognize it before.
>It changed the free&used space to if it was unused and will only report space being
>used for newly added files and not the previously added ones. In the past I would
>have used scandisk to repair the boot record to fix this but since the hard drive
>is >137GB and I am on win98se I don't think I could. I need a disk repair utility
>for win98se that can handle hard drives >137GB that lacie didn't provide with the
>hard drive.
>
>Lacie thinks this is a symptom of data corruption and wants me to partition+format
>the hdd with their program. The previously added data and new data aren't corrupt.

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Win98 and HDD larger than 137GB
Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Posted by gewg_ (3485 messages posted)

|Even if the computers BIOS will handle more than 137 gig,
|Win 98/SE/ME is limited to 137 gig.[...]
|move the data off the drive and partition it to 137 gig,
|or a few gig less to be safe,
|and [do] not partition the rest, or if you do, just [do] not use it.[...]
|It's an OS issue that MS has no intention of fixing
|as it is out of support and would need some extensive rewriting to fix[...]
| C K

I'm thinking that this is an ideal opportunity for the OP to expand his/her horizons.
.On the remaining space, s/he could put a filesystem type that Windows 98
(or WinNT for that matter) wouldn't recognize even if it tripped over it.

Linux supports so many filesystem types, it could make your head spin:[1] 
http://www.google.com/search?q=minix+ext+ext2+xia+umsdos+proc+nfs+hpfs+sysv+ncpfs...

One of the numerous bootable Linux CDs would get him/her started 
cache of http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
and, if the first one wasn't quite to his/her liking, another could be tried[2]
until one is found to be **best fit for me**
at which time that preferred Linux distro could be *installed* on the HDD.
(Linux comes with boot managers too.) http://www.google.com/search?q=LiLo+GRUB

Just a thought.


[1] BTW, Linux now has FULL NTFS support (yes, writing too)
cache of http://www.ntfs-3g.org
and has had FAT/FAT32/VFAT support almost as long as Windoze has.

[2] Most flavors of Linux are gratis.  Ubuntu and its variants
(Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu...) are the current darlings of the desktop crowd.

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re: Win98 and HDD larger than 137GB
Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Posted by Steve (18574 messages posted)

Linux still has a lot of short comings, Even Web surfing finds Me turning to Windows on Many Media Web sites. 2 Examples I can't view full episode Videos at ABC.com, Can't use Yahoo's Internet radio. My Video Editing chores can't be done,. Lately I even have to reboot the Linux Computer to get the Browser open if I accidentally close it. The Linux community has become to fragmented in my opinion. With all the Distros the average Linux newbie User can't no which way to go.

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Expanded horizons (OS-wise)
Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Posted by gewg_ (3485 messages posted)

|Linux still has a lot of short comings,
| Steve
|
Well, it *is* a work in progress--and doesn't have M$'s gigabucks behind it.
That Linux doesn't constantly **purposely** try to make thing incompatible
in pursuit of a fast buck via lock-in gets them a lot of slack from me.
Even when they fail, they're still fighting The Good Fight(tm).

|Even Web surfing finds Me turning to Windows on Many Media Web sites.
|2 Examples
|I can't view full episode Videos at ABC.com, Can't use Yahoo's Internet radio.
|
You've already changed the User Agent String, I assume.
Most 'Net-related junk is some idiot webmaster sniffing when he doesn't need to
--and doing a lousy job of it on top of that.

If it's ActiveX-related, Gecko has an ActiveX extension.
(You'd probably want to make a unique "ActiveX" profile
and use that only when absolutely necessary.)

|My Video Editing chores can't be done.
|
Even under WINE?

|Lately I even have to reboot the Linux Computer to get the Browser open
|if I accidentally close it.
|
Now THAT'S weird.  NOT having to reboot for the slightest thing
is a BIG selling point for Unix-like OSes.  I assume you've tried  kill -9 PID#

|The Linux community has become [too] fragmented in my opinion.
|
Actually, there are lots of individuals
who concurrently run several distros on a number of boxes to do various tasks
and many other folks have tried several distros throughout their pasts.
I don't see it as all that different from NT/2000/XP/Vista; SP1/SP2/SP3; yada,yada.
More like *right tool for the job*.
This also reminds me of Linux (and OS X) which come fully-loaded for any use
--no training-wheels-only versions (i.e. no "Vista Basic" bait & switch nonsense).

|With all the Distros the average Linux newbie User can't [know] which way to go.
|
Compared to say W98/XP, they're more alike than different.
Only so many package managers exist--and that's the driving factor behind distros;
most distros are a derivitave of one of the biggies (Deb, RPM...).
This was from over 2 years ago:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/18/2036220&threshold=5#13821343

I think the *different directory structures* thing is what gets bitched about most
and I _am_ sure everyone wishes there could be convergence there.

...and the Ubuntu guys have done such a good job with their installer
that a significant chunk of the Desktop Linux folks have at least tried it
and ISTM there is a real surge of newbies toward Ubuntu
--and all the other packaging guys are watching, learning, and copying.

If nothing else, Linux gets you out of the All-M$, All-the-time thinking.
...and it still tickles me every time I hear of a bootable Linux CD
saving some poor guy's fragile, broken WinNT box.  8-)

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re: Win98 and HDD larger than 137GB
Friday, March 14, 2008 at 5:51 am
Posted by C K (5902 messages posted)

I thought about suggesting that, but sometimes I get people (and myself) into trouble 
when going beyond the subject at hand.  I hope Linux gets to a point that can truly 
rival Windows.  I'm actually using Ubuntu right now and writing this, but I am more 
curious to keep up with the Linux distro's than actually use them for my professional 
apps, of which there aren't equals to the ones I have to use in Windows.  I wish 
there were.  That plus the learning curve is steeper than is for Windows, Windows 
apps and the OS itself.

MS has really dumbed down the technology, or is it we are just more lazy than we 
were back in the 1980's, the days of pure DOS and all the installation/configuration 
that was done manually???  ;-)

Yea, MS needs some good competition and I hope I live long enough to see it!  :-) 






On Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 11:35 am, gewg_ wrote:
>|Even if the computers BIOS will handle more than 137 gig,
>|Win 98/SE/ME is limited to 137 gig.[...]
>|move the data off the drive and partition it to 137 gig,
>|or a few gig less to be safe,
>|and [do] not partition the rest, or if you do, just [do] not use it.[...]
>|It's an OS issue that MS has no intention of fixing
>|as it is out of support and would need some extensive rewriting to fix[...]
>| C K
>
>I'm thinking that this is an ideal opportunity for the OP to expand his/her horizons.
>.On the remaining space, s/he could put a filesystem type that Windows 98
>(or WinNT for that matter) wouldn't recognize even if it tripped over it.
>
>Linux supports so many filesystem types, it could make your head spin:[1]
>http://www.google.com/search?q=minix+ext+ext2+xia+umsdos+proc+nfs+hpfs+sysv+ncpfs...

>
>One of the numerous bootable Linux CDs would get him/her started
>cache of http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php

>and, if the first one wasn't quite to his/her liking, another could be tried[2]
>until one is found to be **best fit for me**
>at which time that preferred Linux distro could be *installed* on the HDD.
>(Linux comes with boot managers too.) http://www.google.com/search?q=LiLo+GRUB
>
>Just a thought.
>
>
>[1] BTW, Linux now has FULL NTFS support (yes, writing too)
>cache of http://www.ntfs-3g.org

>and has had FAT/FAT32/VFAT support almost as long as Windoze has.
>
>[2] Most flavors of Linux are gratis. Ubuntu and its variants
>(Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu...) are the current darlings of the desktop crowd.

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