Tip: Run a free scan for common Windows errors ad

[2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 2:41 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Is this what you meant to post? http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/1211904346 I thought not. At the bottom of the page where it says Don't use this option unless you really need it, it should say "Don't click this if you have formatted your own post as HTML". I suggest you DO tick that and make sure the **No preview** box near the bottom of this page http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/config is NOT ticked. (The Webmaster's defaults are REALLY stupid.) |[...]every time Windows goes to "start for the first time"[...] |it crashes with an error "Insufficient memory to initialize Windows[...]" | |I have 2 Gb[1] DDR2 RAM. | dowyler http://www.google.com/search?q=Q304943+Q184447+RAM.limit+MaxPhysPage+*-3c000+SYSTEM-INI (Click on the **Cached** link--not the big main page title link.) When you scroll down to the chart, you will notice that you are OFF THE CHART. **Windows 98 on Modern Hardware** by Richard Harris http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/1167403293 **Using More Than 512MB of RAM with Win9x** by DNA http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/1183134656 {Advocacy for better OS} I'll bet a (free) copy of Ubuntu Linux would be a nicer (certainly more secure) install on this box. {/Advocacy for better OS} [1] b == bit // B == Byte [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 5:19 pm Posted by dowyler (6 messages posted) Thanks gerg. I'm slightly disappointed learning I have too much RAM. Would love a free copy of Ubuntu. Downloaded a copy of the ISO, burned as boot-able CD, and tried to install but won't run in DOS environment!!! burned again. Works great on my XP machine, but can't get Ubuntu from there to my "problem child" machine. Got any ideas on getting a copy of any Linux dist. that I can install from a DOS environment? I'm new to Linux so simple explanation of what I need to do and where to go, if you know, would be helpful. Will check out the work-a-rounds and see if something can be figured out. In any event you have my thanks and gratitude. Dowyler [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 5:28 pm Posted by dowyler (6 messages posted) Sorry for the name mis-spell gewg! [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 7:23 pm Posted by C K (6935 messages posted) If you set your CD/DVD device to boot, and the bootable linux distro won't boot, you either have a hardware issue, a bad ISO image or a bad burn from the ISO, or the drivers needed for the new motherboards are not incorporated in the Linux package yet (in which case, it won't work). All of the Ubuntu ISO's I have downloaded and burned for the past 2 years have booted in new and old machines without a problem, however, I haven't tried your particular Asus board yet. You could have an issue between the motherboard and the optical drive. I had the same issue on some earlier Asus boards. It wouldn't get along with some brands of drives so it would corrupt the data. There are multiple issues that could be effecting you on this one. You can't have a typical DOS environment loaded and load/install Linux. The two aren't compatible. On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 5:19 pm, dowyler wrote: >Thanks gerg. I'm slightly disappointed learning I have too much RAM. > >Would love a free copy of Ubuntu. Downloaded a copy of >the ISO, burned as boot-able CD, and tried to install but won't run in DOS environment!!! >burned again. Works great on my XP machine, but can't get Ubuntu from there to my >"problem child" machine. > >Got any ideas on getting a copy of any Linux dist. that I can install from a DOS >environment? I'm new to Linux so simple explanation of what I need to do and where >to go, if you know, would be helpful. > >Will check out the work-a-rounds and see if something can be figured out. > >In any event you have my thanks and gratitude. > >Dowyler [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 7:43 pm Posted by C K (6935 messages posted) Also, you should be aware that this motherboard does not support Win 9X. No drivers were developed for the Intel chipsets in these boards as the hardware isn't designed for Win 9X. According to Intel, it's a hardware limitation so they can't even write drivers for it. Even if you can get it to run Win 98, it will be a very sick slow machine due to the legacy mode that it would have to run in, so even trying to run any software, especially graphics/games, just won't work.. On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 5:19 pm, dowyler wrote: >Thanks gerg. I'm slightly disappointed learning I have too much RAM. > >Would love a free copy of Ubuntu. Downloaded a copy of >the ISO, burned as boot-able CD, and tried to install but won't run in DOS environment!!! >burned again. Works great on my XP machine, but can't get Ubuntu from there to my >"problem child" machine. > >Got any ideas on getting a copy of any Linux dist. that I can install from a DOS >environment? I'm new to Linux so simple explanation of what I need to do and where >to go, if you know, would be helpful. > >Will check out the work-a-rounds and see if something can be figured out. > >In any event you have my thanks and gratitude. > >Dowyler [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 7:44 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) |I'm slightly disappointed learning I have too much RAM. | Dowyler | Even if you got proper-sized RAM sticks in it, I wonder if you could find W98 device drivers for all the hardware. (There's a tiny chance that Linux drivers don't exist for those either, but I'd rate that as small odds.) |[...]Ubuntu. Downloaded a copy of the ISO, burned as boot-able CD, |and tried to install | Uh huh. |but won't run in DOS environment!!! | Of course it won't--and this seems to contradict the last statement you made. You run **DOS** apps under DOS. You DON'T run *Windoze* app under DOS nor *Linux* apps under DOS. How you got there, I don't know --but it sounds like your CMOS Boot Precedence might not be what you think it is. I'm wondering if you even hear/see the CD drive spin up on boot. If you now can't get the CD to load a Linux kernel into RAM, make sure that drive is listed FIRST in the Boot Precedence. If you got the box to boot to the Windoze CD, and the Ubuntu media worked to install Linux on the other box, that's the only gotcha that makes sense --unless you've damaged the media or the drive quit working in the meantime. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Win98 will not complete install-insufficient memory to initialize windows? Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 4:58 am Posted by Keith Stanier (1666 messages posted) dowyler wrote: |I have run FDISK and Format on the drive more times |than I can remember. I found post about |Win98 not liking drives above 60 GB There is an updated Fdisk you can download from Microsoft if you search for it. Or you can download it from Bootdisk, near the bottom. New FDISK This version of fdisk can partition drives at least up to 180 gig. Note however that if putting windows98 on a partition larger than 128 gig that the number of clusters will exceed 4.1 million and scandisk and chkdsk wont work tho windows otherwise will be fine. Folks who run windows98 partitions larger than 128 gig have to use third party utilities to scandisk/chkdsk. Other folks simply make two or more partitions, each one being 128 gig or smaller. Also note that if formatting in dos you'll see a cosmetic error due to format.com which says formatting 10.158 or similiar but as you'll note the format will take a long time and it will still format correctly. Kindest regards, Ed Jablonowski [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 7:31 am Posted by dowyler (6 messages posted) Still scratching my head on this one, but further along. Took another look at it C K and did what you suggested with my Ubuntu CD I burned with Nero on my RICHO drive. It would not boot even when that was only option on the machine ( BIOS setup). Placed that CD back in my XP box and performed an install from the CD, it auto ran and installed on my XP box. Now I have dual boot on that box. Loaded Ubuntu and ran it and discovered Brasero Disk Burning from within Ubuntu. Figured what the heck. Burned another copy of the SAME iso with Brasero. Took this new burned copy and placed it in my other machine, setting it as only boot-able medium and this time it worked and installed! Only thing I can figure is Brasero did something Nero did not. My Nero version is a few releases old so possible it didn't like it. Maybe Nero in Windows environment has limits that Linux did not impose on Brasero. In any event I am now trying to configure Ubuntu so I can use it instead of Win98. Another story for another Forum. Thanks to you and gewg and everyone for their suggestions. [Reply or follow-up to this message] Problem getting a burned CD to boot on old box (was: ...insufficient memory...) Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 12:00 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) |[...]my Ubuntu CD[...]would not boot |even when that was only option on the machine ( BIOS setup). |Placed that CD back in my XP box and performed an install from the CD, |it auto ran and installed on my XP box. Now I have dual boot on that box. | |Loaded Ubuntu[...]and[...]Brasero Disk Burning[and] |Burned another copy of the SAME iso[on the]other machine, |[...]this time it worked and installed! | |Only thing I can figure is Brasero did something Nero did not. | | dowyler I'm wondering: If you swapped the optical drives between the 2 boxes and used the original ("defective") media, would the problem follow the (badly-aligned?) drive? [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Problem getting a burned CD to boot on old box (was: ...insufficient memory...) Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 1:20 pm Posted by dowyler (6 messages posted) Gewg. your thinking one of my drives is off? I burned both copies of the ISO on the same drive. It is my RICOH CD burner drive. It is in my XP box I am using to access this forum and the internet. My first burning effort I used NERO to make "bootable" CD out of the Ubuntu ISO, but it would not boot in my other box. I loaded Ubuntu in the XP box, accessed it, used Brasero from within Ubuntu to burn the exact same ISO on the exact same burner ( my RICOH) and this time it was "bootable" in my other box. If a drive was mis-aligned I think it still wouldn't have loaded in the other ( non-XP) box, but it worked when I used Brasero to make the CD. Only difference between the CD's is the program I used to burn the copies and the OS supporting that program. Nero & XP first = wouldn't boot, Ubuntu & Brasero = would boot. Still not sure why it worked. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Problem getting a burned CD to boot on old box (was: ...insufficient memory...) Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 2:09 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) |Gewg. [You're] thinking one of my drives is off? |I burned both copies of the ISO on the same drive. | dowyler | Ah. It seems I'm barking up the wrong tree. |My first burning effort I used NERO[...] |used Brasero from within Ubuntu to burn the exact same ISO |on the exact same burner[...]and this time it was "bootable" in my other box. | **Having options** is SO cool. 8-) ...and Free Software (not "Freeware") makes that so do-able. 8-)) It's great that you got this sorted out--and enabled a demonstration of how crippling using proprietary payware software/OSes can be). [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Thursday, May 29, 2008 at 7:05 pm Posted by dhm (1069 messages posted) "Got any ideas on getting a copy of any Linux dist. that I can install from a DOS environment? I'm new to Linux so simple explanation of what I need to do and where to go, if you know, would be helpful." I'm currently experimenting with Knoppix. www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html This runs even w/o being installed. It's a live CD. Just reset the CMOS to look for the CD drive first and it will boot. I'm currently having a problem with it remembering its settings which I told it to save on a hard drive. I'll probably figure that out tomorrow. And that's a neat thing, too. You don't have to create a partition for it. It will work fine on a MS$ft formatted drive by creating a couple files (60MB and 100MB) on the drive. I want to find my way around Knoppix because it can be used as a diagnostic disc to repair Windows. Warning: I have version 5.1. The current version is 5.3. I've read that its splash operation includes a voice talking to you -- but only in German. Like Ubuntu it's a variant of Debian Linux. [Reply or follow-up to this message] *Running* an OS from a bootable CD (was: ...insufficient memory...) Thursday, May 29, 2008 at 7:46 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) |I'm currently experimenting with Knoppix. |This runs even w/o being installed. | |[...]I want to find my way around Knoppix |because it can be used as a diagnostic disc to repair Windows. | dhm | While Micros~1 is stuck on STUPID --making it EVER MORE DIFFICULT to install, "activate", and repair an OS-- the Open Source guys are making it easier every day to try theirs. |Just reset the CMOS to look for the CD drive first and it will boot. | He was going thru all the right steps with the Ubuntu CD; it appears his Windoze-compatible software failed him--burning the ISO improperly. (Linux to the rescue again.) |It's a live CD. | These days, it's hard to find a successful Linux distro where **Run the OS from the CD** _isn't_ available. http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php The *Install to HDD* part on these could be mistaken for a convenient afterthought. ...and on the *Making it easier* front as well as the *Repair broken Windoze* front: **All Asus Motherboards To Include "Splashtop" Embedded Linux (Option To Load a Linux Desktop From Firmware)** http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/14/173220&threshold=5#23406320 (Summary at the top of the page.) [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Friday, May 30, 2008 at 2:39 am Posted by dowyler (6 messages posted) Thanks dhm. Thanks to gewg and all of you who have helped and made suggestions. I am by no means an expert. If I was I wouldn't be here. It's nice to know people out there want to help people like me and I do appreciate it. Got Ubuntu to finally work. Now have tweaking of it to do, but I now understand why people switch to Linux from Windows. Have spent the last 6 days in computer he*l. Partly my fault for not asking for help sooner, but wanted to exhaust all possibilities before asking for that help. That's how I learn. In any event have better understanding of Windows and better appreciation for Linux. Special thanks to Open Source Community and Linux. You do good work! [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: [2 GB is] insufficient memory to initialize Windows [98]!! Friday, May 30, 2008 at 4:32 am Posted by dhm (1069 messages posted) "Got Ubuntu to finally work. Now have tweaking of it to do, but I now understand why people switch to Linux from Windows. " Yes, I have a TCO problem as well. The only Linux driver for my modem costs $20. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Win98 will not complete install-insufficient memory to initialize windows? Monday, June 16, 2008 at 12:19 pm Posted by genecorpus (1 messages posted) I have the same problem....I just threw out my old motherboard and installed a new up to date board with 2gig of memory.....and tried to load 98 on a dual boot system....but it kept telling me that "not enough memory".....for a while I thought that my 98 copy was corrupt.....but after pondering what was going on .....I contacted my tech support where I purchased the hardware....and described the problem....they said that the error is displayed because 98 wont work with memory larger than 512meg.....the only solution they said to try was to install a 512meg stick onto your board and make sure it matches(which means that you may have to purchase another stick of memory to fit that board)....then load 98....then pull the old switcharoo....after the 98 load.....and put back the 2gig and see what happens......the other option was to find someone who has found a fix by modifying the config.sys line where the himem.sys is.... to allocate the required memory and see if that works....so the question is.....has anyone found out how to modify the config.sys line......???.....and has anyone tried the old switcharoo.....??? On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 9:05 am, dowyler wrote: >Help please from someone smarter than I am. > >I wiped both hard drives ( 120 mB) and tried to install Win98 upgrade to run some >old software titles. I have Windows 3.11 disks I use for Compliance Verification. >The problem is every time Windows goes to "start for the first time" after the first >half of the install it crashes with an error "Insufficient memory to initialize Windows, >try removing some TSR programs or remove utilities from your autoexec.bat or config.sys >files". > >First, I have tried installing with minimum autoexec.bat and config.sys. I have run >FDISK and Format on the drive more times than I can remember. I found post about >Win98 not liking drives above 60 GB, so I tried to partition my drive into smaller >sizes and even installed a 13.2 GB hard drive and used it, neither worked. I tried >copying the Win98 files to the hard drive and install from there, again with boot-able >disk with minimum set up- does not work. > >I tried making the CD ROM drive boot-able in BIOS setup, didn't work. I tried turning >off all unnecessary hardware in BIOS setup, didn't make a difference. > >I get same message when I try and install Win95. I can install my old DOS 6.22 and >Win 3.11 with no trouble but can't seem to get to Win98 from there? > >Saw post about FDISK version supplied with Win98 being incorrect version/type so >went to link provided in post and got fix, but will not work in DOS mode ( figuring >out a lot of programs won't work in DOS mode, which is hampering my efforts). > >Found post about RAM possibly being corrupted, so downloaded to floppy tester program >( mtinst.exe) and ran it on my system. No errors found. > >OK so now for my hardware: > >I have ASUS P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe running Pent 4 Core 2 6600 @ 2.4 GHz. > >I have 2 Gb DDR2 RAM. > >My BIOS is most current version 0901 according to ASUS web site. > >Hard drives are WesternDigital. > >CMOS battery has not been changed but not seeing CMOS errors to indicate trouble >( BIOS setting not changing on there own, etc.) > >Something seems to be gobbling up the memory used for Windows install, but I'm pulling >my hair out trying to figure out what or how it is doing it. Been a long time so >my editing of Autoexec.bat and Config.sys skills are rusty, but I can get them edited >so there is minimum install. > >All ideas and comments welcome. I'm just about out of ideas. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Win98 will not complete install-insufficient memory to initialize windows? Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm Posted by Rudolph Loew (4 messages posted) Your installation is crashing because Windows 98 cannot be used with more than approximately 1GB of RAM. You have 2GB of RAM in your system. This overflows an internal memory table causing the rather inaccurate "out of memory" error. I have developed a Patch that adds support for up to 4GB of RAM. For more information go to: http://members.aol.com/rloew1 On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 9:05 am, dowyler wrote: >Help please from someone smarter than I am. > >I wiped both hard drives ( 120 mB) and tried to install Win98 upgrade to run some >old software titles. I have Windows 3.11 disks I use for Compliance Verification. >The problem is every time Windows goes to "start for the first time" after the first >half of the install it crashes with an error "Insufficient memory to initialize Windows, >try removing some TSR programs or remove utilities from your autoexec.bat or config.sys >files". > >First, I have tried installing with minimum autoexec.bat and config.sys. I have run >FDISK and Format on the drive more times than I can remember. I found post about >Win98 not liking drives above 60 GB, so I tried to partition my drive into smaller >sizes and even installed a 13.2 GB hard drive and used it, neither worked. I tried >copying the Win98 files to the hard drive and install from there, again with boot-able >disk with minimum set up- does not work. > >I tried making the CD ROM drive boot-able in BIOS setup, didn't work. I tried turning >off all unnecessary hardware in BIOS setup, didn't make a difference. > >I get same message when I try and install Win95. I can install my old DOS 6.22 and >Win 3.11 with no trouble but can't seem to get to Win98 from there? > >Saw post about FDISK version supplied with Win98 being incorrect version/type so >went to link provided in post and got fix, but will not work in DOS mode ( figuring >out a lot of programs won't work in DOS mode, which is hampering my efforts). > >Found post about RAM possibly being corrupted, so downloaded to floppy tester program >( mtinst.exe) and ran it on my system. No errors found. > >OK so now for my hardware: > >I have ASUS P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe running Pent 4 Core 2 6600 @ 2.4 GHz. > >I have 2 Gb DDR2 RAM. > >My BIOS is most current version 0901 according to ASUS web site. > >Hard drives are WesternDigital. > >CMOS battery has not been changed but not seeing CMOS errors to indicate trouble >( BIOS setting not changing on there own, etc.) > >Something seems to be gobbling up the memory used for Windows install, but I'm pulling >my hair out trying to figure out what or how it is doing it. Been a long time so >my editing of Autoexec.bat and Config.sys skills are rusty, but I can get them edited >so there is minimum install. > >All ideas and comments welcome. I'm just about out of ideas. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Win98 will not complete install-insufficient memory to initialize windows? Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 6:44 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) I have continued to want to have a FAT32 boot partition for Win98 on some PCs, especially workhorse utility machines I use prepping newer systems' drives on. But I'd about given up doing this unless I wanted to swap my DIMMs to use the oldie. I've had trouble with Win98 and 1 GB, whether or not I have reset the Vcache amount, and there's been no way at all W98se would work (on any setup I've tried) with the relatively standard 2 GBs of today. So, I'll be testing your program, and thanks for dropping by to tell us about it! . Kiwi ** On Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm, Rudolph Loew wrote: >... You have 2GB of RAM in your system. This overflows an internal memory >table causing the rather inaccurate "out of memory" error. I have developed a >Patch that adds support for up to 4GB of RAM. For more information go to: > >http://members.aol.com/rloew1 > > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] Full disclosure is nice when you spam forums Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 10:12 am Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Rudolph Loew wrote: |I have developed a Patch that adds support for up to 4GB of RAM. "The Demo Version of this Software will freeze approximately 10 Minutes after Windows is booted." "To purchase the Full Version of this Software: Send $20 US per copy to:..." [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Full disclosure is nice when you spam forums Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 1:25 pm Posted by Rudolph Loew (4 messages posted) I believe that a one line statement about the existence of a solution, and an URL for people interested in it, is about as discreet as I can get. Putting a lot of details and pricing information is much more likely to be considered an advertisement. If I didn't mention the Patch, no one would know there is a solution to the problem that is the subject of this thread. If I didn't put in an URL, people would have to ask for it and I would have to reply, taking up additional forum space. [Reply or follow-up to this message] Website change for RAM Limitation Patch Friday, October 24, 2008 at 5:00 pm Posted by Rudolph Loew (4 messages posted) AOL is terminating it's Web Hosting Service on 10/31/08. I have moved my Website to http://www.geocities.com/rloew On Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm, Rudolph Loew wrote: >Your installation is crashing because Windows 98 cannot be used with more than approximately >1GB of RAM. You have 2GB of RAM in your system. This overflows an internal memory >table causing the rather inaccurate "out of memory" error. I have developed a Patch >that adds support for up to 4GB of RAM. For more information go to: > >http://members.aol.com/rloew1 > > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Website change for RAM Limitation Patch Friday, October 24, 2008 at 5:25 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) |AOL is terminating it's Web Hosting Service on 10/31/08. |I have moved my Website to http://www.geocities.com/rloew | Rudolph Loew Aside from how spammy and mercenary you are, are you also so impoverished that you have sunk to trolling for page hits and can't give a DIRECT link to the app's page? http://www.google.com/search?q=516+352+9078+To-purchase-*-*-*-*-*-* +Send-$20-*-*-*+The.Demo.Version+Phone+will.freeze&filter=0 [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Website change for RAM Limitation Patch Friday, October 31, 2008 at 9:41 pm Posted by Rudolph Loew (4 messages posted) I had to move my entire website, not just one page, so I listed the home page. There are also new products related to RAM Memory that would be missed if I only posted the Product Page. There is even some free stuff, I'm sure you won't hesitate to grab. [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows 98 Discussion Forum