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re: hard drive problem(driver) Saturday, May 9, 2009 at 8:27 pm Posted by dhm (1069 messages posted) The weakest link in a computer is the bronze bearing in the hard drive. It is porous and has a tiny amount of oil in it. It creates some fine bronze powder in it and when the oil dries up, it jams. Everyone is apalled at this but it works for me. Beat up your computer. That is, when it starts, tap the drive (or slam the whole computer) and it will shake the bearing enough to get it started. (My computer has dents on it.) I once did that to a balky drive for 2 months every morning because I was too lazy to drive 15 minutes to the discount computer store and get another drive. Finally one morning that wasn't working either for quite a while. So I got the new drive and connected it and got the old one to start one more time and I copied it. I also swim in shark infested waters. (Hey, it was a school of migrating hammerheads and they have their mouths way down on their throats which makes it very difficult to bite a human.) So, open the case and try tapping the drive as it boots up. If that works you have a dying bearing but you can make it live long enough to copy the information over. Good luck. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: hard drive problem(driver) Saturday, May 9, 2009 at 9:11 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) dhm wrote: [...]Everyone is apalled at this but it works for me. Beat up your computer. That is, when it starts, tap the drive (or slam the whole computer) and it will shake the bearing enough to get it started. (My computer has dents on it.) [...]open the case and try tapping the drive as it boots up. If that works you have a dying bearing but you can make it live long enough to copy the information over. 8-)) Something else that often works (and doesn't present the danger of having the head bang into the media surface) is to do a "warm boot" after the cold boot fails. If the shaft isn't completely stuck but is just sluggish and the rotational speed of the platters isn't quite enough at the end of POST, sometimes just a few extra seconds does the trick. Doing the 3-finger salute at that point (Ctrl-Alt-Del) *can* make the difference. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: hard drive problem(driver) Saturday, May 23, 2009 at 11:31 am Posted by Ed (741 messages posted) You might find a solution through this link: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bridip/recovery.htm#sectionB Ed On Saturday, May 9, 2009 at 6:18 pm, William wrote: >when I try to start windows 98 on a Hp 4533 desktop I get the message that no operation > system, when I boot from a floopy or cd I get the error message that the hard >drive needs a driver. This computer had stopped working completely, it started back >up by moving the battery jumper for ten seconds and it started booting, but it >can't load windows now, so how can I get the driver, Seagate says it's not their >device failure, but I can't find a driver page to download from, any suggestions >would be great, thanks! [Reply or follow-up to this message] Windoze won't load (Sketchy details provided) Saturday, May 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) William wrote: |when I try to start windows 98 on a Hp 4533 desktop[,] |I get the message that no [operating] system[.] |when I boot [TO] a [floppy] or cd |I get the error message that the hard drive needs a driver. | Including EXACT error messages in your post is useful. cache of http://www.ehow.com/how_4965436_install-device-driver.html Do you ever see a DOS prompt? What did you do then? |This computer had stopped working completely, | If you hear a single beep shortly after you start the computer, the computer HAS booted and hasn't "stopped working completely". |it started back up by moving the battery jumper for ten seconds | You cleared the CMOS Settings. |and it started booting, | See "beep" (above). I assume you mean "it now allowed spinning up the removable-media drives". |but it can't load windows now, | That is DIFFERENT from "doesn't boot". |so how can I get the driver, | EXACT error messages are useful. Both DOS and Windoze come with support for hard drives. (See 1st above.) See "What did you do then?" (above). If the device driver of a device not contained in the kernel is stalling Windows' loading, that should identify itself: cache of http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/updatemanagement/bb245831.aspx+aspx |Seagate says it's not their device failure, | EXACT details of that conversation might be useful. See also "What did you do then?" (above). It sounds like you are barking up the wrong tree. EXACT details of what you see and hear and WHEN you see and hear that would be useful. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: hard drive problem(driver) Tuesday, June 9, 2009 at 3:23 pm Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) Hard drives *do* wear out. Anything with moving parts in it will eventually need bearings, and we simply don't repair Hdds. Replacements are far less expensive than repairs. However, it is the bearings in various FANS that wear out first, normally. That especially includes the fan in the PC power supply. Depending on the condition of the drive, when you have its replacement ready to use, you may be able to copy the old one's contents while it is temporarily allowed to sit under or next to the old one, jumpered as the Slave drive. When I've ignored the Hdd's warning signs myself, and not replaced a dying drive soon enough, I have been able to bring some of them back for an hour or two at a time by literally FREEZING them in my refrigerator's freezer. It's something to keep in mind. In closing, and in case it isn't clear enough otherwise, you aren't in need of any "Driver", and there normally just wasn't any such thing for the computers that ran Windows98 back when that was still a viable operating system (yes, to any cynics, there were SCSI drives all the way back to the 8088 / 8086 days, but since that's a pretty specialized item, I'd usually expect the owner of such a drive would know enough to *SAY* he needed a "SCSI" Driver). . Kiwi ** On Saturday, May 9, 2009 at 6:18 pm, William wrote: >when I try to start windows 98 on a Hp 4533 desktop I get the message that no operation > system, when I boot from a floopy or cd I get the error message that the hard >drive needs a driver. This computer had stopped working completely, it started back >up by moving the battery jumper for ten seconds and it started booting, but it >can't load windows now, so how can I get the driver, Seagate says it's not their >device failure, but I can't find a driver page to download from, any suggestions >would be great, thanks! [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows 98 Discussion Forum