Years back, I had a tantrum 
and just deleted Outlook Express. No uninstall, 
just delete.
All that junk is still there in WINDOWS\
APPLICATION DATA\
MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS.  I since 
reinstalled OE,which is now in WINDOWS\
APPLICATION DATA\IDENTITIES.  
I don't know why it's in Identities.  Should I 
just delete all the old stuff and drag the new to
WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\
MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS?

Also, when I try to send a webpage by email, 
it tries to use a really old account.  
How do I change this?

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re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Monday, August 3, 2009 at 4:48 am Posted by Keith Stanier (1655 messages posted) Marjorie wrote: |Years back, I had a tantrum |and just deleted Outlook Express. No uninstall, |just delete. |All that junk is still there in WINDOWS\ |APPLICATION DATA\ |MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I since |reinstalled OE,which is now in WINDOWS\ |APPLICATION DATA\IDENTITIES. |I don't know why it's in Identities. Should I |just delete all the old stuff and drag the new to |WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\ |MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS? Hi Marjorie. Well first of where did you delete OE from just Program Files\Outlook Express? If you did then you would get a message saying something like this folder is needed and my cause other programs not to work. You can uninstall OE6 from Control Panel - Add/Remove. Which web browser are you using, IE (which version), FireFox, Opera etc? If its IE6.0 then if you goto Control Panel - Add/Remove you can remove Internet Explorer 6.0. You will then be given an option to reinstall the original install or you can repair then original installation or you can remove and install the previous installation. You could try a repair first. Second part on Win98SE OE stores all your emails in Windows\Application Data\Identities\{750F7368-E52F-4173-9815-82DE3F559F9C}\Microsoft\Outlook Express all in *.dbx files. If you haven't deleted this folder then you can import your emails back into OE6. Now your {750F7368-E52F-4173-9815-82DE3F559F9C} folder will have different numbers and letters but it will be the same format. Now the quickest method is to copy the Outlook Express folder to somewhere more obvious. If you don't have a C:\Temp folder then make one then copy the Outlook Express folder into the Temp folder. Open up OE and if there are no previous emails/sub folder visible then click on File\Import\Messages and select your previous email format Outlook Express 6.0 then Next. Click on Import mail from an OE6 store directory, click on OK and use the Browse button to find this folder in C:\Temp\Outlook Express. This will add all your old emails and sub folders. |Also, when I try to send a webpage by email, |it tries to use a really old account. |How do I change this? Third thing, well it should use your existing account from your ISP. If it doesn't then reinstall your ISP. This will register your details in the registry so when OE opens it knows who's emails to receive. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Monday, August 3, 2009 at 7:14 pm Posted by Marjorie (29 messages posted) Thanks Keith, I don't remember how I deleted it. (I was really mad!) I use IE 6.0.2800.1106, updated through Q916281, WIN98, 1st ed. Yes, I have three of those character strings in identities, and 18 .dbx and .mbx files in OE. I'll try your suggestions and let you know. Again, Thanks! Marjorie On Monday, August 3, 2009 at 4:48 am, Keith Stanier wrote: >Marjorie wrote: > >|Years back, I had a tantrum >|and just deleted Outlook Express. No uninstall, >|just delete. >|All that junk is still there in WINDOWS\ >|APPLICATION DATA\ >|MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS. I since >|reinstalled OE,which is now in WINDOWS\ >|APPLICATION DATA\IDENTITIES. >|I don't know why it's in Identities. Should I >|just delete all the old stuff and drag the new to >|WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\ >|MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS? > >Hi Marjorie. > >Well first of where did you delete OE from just Program Files\Outlook Express? > >If you did then you would get a message saying something like this folder is needed >and my cause other programs not to work. > >You can uninstall OE6 from Control Panel - Add/Remove. > >Which web browser are you using, IE (which version), FireFox, Opera etc? > >If its IE6.0 then if you goto Control Panel - Add/Remove you can remove Internet >Explorer 6.0. You will then be given an option to reinstall the original install >or you can repair then original installation or you can remove and install the previous >installation. > >You could try a repair first. > >Second part on Win98SE OE stores all your emails in Windows\Application Data\Identities\{750F7368-E52F-4173-9815-82DE3F559F9C}\Microsoft\Outlook >Express all in *.dbx files. If you haven't deleted this folder then you can import >your emails back into OE6. > >Now your {750F7368-E52F-4173-9815-82DE3F559F9C} folder will have different numbers >and letters but it will be the same format. > >Now the quickest method is to copy the Outlook Express folder to somewhere more obvious. >If you don't have a C:\Temp folder then make one then copy the Outlook Express folder >into the Temp folder. Open up OE and if there are no previous emails/sub folder visible >then click on File\Import\Messages and select your previous email format Outlook >Express 6.0 then Next. Click on Import mail from an OE6 store directory, click >on OK and use the Browse button to find this folder in C:\Temp\Outlook Express. This >will add all your old emails and sub folders. > >|Also, when I try to send a webpage by email, >|it tries to use a really old account. >|How do I change this? > >Third thing, well it should use your existing account from your ISP. If it doesn't >then reinstall your ISP. This will register your details in the registry so when >OE opens it knows who's emails to receive. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Tuesday, August 4, 2009 at 6:29 am Posted by Keith Stanier (1655 messages posted) Marjorie wrote: |I don't remember how I deleted it. |(I was really mad!) I use |IE 6.0.2800.1106, updated |through Q916281, WIN98, 1st ed. Oh we are getting the full picture now Marjorie. Your using Win98FE, 1st edition. I've never even seen the 1st edition. I've heard people talking about it. I would try and get Win98SE of eBay they are quite cheap today. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Tuesday, August 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm Posted by Arminius (334 messages posted) Nooooo!!!! Don't delete or drag any of that stuff. Windows 98 1st edition shipped with Internet Explorer/Outlook Express version 4.01 SP1. In later versions of Internet Explorer and Outlook Express Microsoft changed the folder in which those files are stored from WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS to WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\IDENTITIES That is why they are in different folders. LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE! |Also, when I try to send a webpage by email, |it tries to use a really old account. |How do I change this? Open Outlook Express. Go to Tools --> Accounts... --> "Mail" tab Remove the old accounts you no longer use and set your current one as the "Default". If you want to keep using Win98 it's not a bad idea to pick up Win98SE as Keith said but don't pay too much. If you want to keep using your current computer then Win2000 is better supported but even it's days are numbered. And Win2000 commands premium prices for an old OS. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 7:29 am Posted by Marjorie (29 messages posted) Thanks, Keith and Arminus. I do have both SE and XP in the OEM versions "for distribution with a new PC only". The 98se someone sent to me and, in my ignorance, I bought the XP, thinking it was an upgrade. I'd have to format for either and don't want to lose all my music from Napster days. I'm gradually uploading the music to storage, but on dial-up it's taking forever, and would take forever to DL it again. The 98 I have is usually OK... Know anyone who wants to trade? Thanks, Arminus, for the warning...lol. I was really tempted to neaten it up. A little voice told me not to --that's why I asked. What you say about Windows 98 1st edition probably explains my problem. My OE6 works fine. It has only the correct account listed. The problem lies (I just discovered this) in C:\Windows\SendTo, a folder accessed from a window -> File menu -> Send/SendTo option, containing: Desktop(create shortcut), A:(floppy), Email (mail recipient), etc.. The email option opens an OE email message with the link or page. In other words, it works. I can even get to my current address book, BUT the email program is OE4.72! I know this from the ID under "Help". Since it only opens a single message, I can't get to "Tools" to change the account. In Add/Remove programs, there is an Outlook Express Q837009. Is that it? Should I remove it? On Tuesday, August 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm, Arminius wrote: >Nooooo!!!! > >Don't delete or drag any of that stuff. > >Windows 98 1st edition shipped with Internet Explorer/Outlook Express version 4.01 >SP1. In later versions of Internet Explorer and Outlook Express Microsoft changed >the folder in which those files are stored > >from >WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\MICROSOFT\OUTLOOK EXPRESS >to >WINDOWS\APPLICATION DATA\IDENTITIES > >That is why they are in different folders. LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE! > > >|Also, when I try to send a webpage by email, >|it tries to use a really old account. >|How do I change this? > >Open Outlook Express. >Go to Tools --> Accounts... --> "Mail" tab >Remove the old accounts you no longer use and set your current one as the "Default". > > >If you want to keep using Win98 it's not a bad idea to pick up Win98SE as Keith said >but don't pay too much. If you want to keep using your current computer then Win2000 >is better supported but even it's days are numbered. And Win2000 commands premium >prices for an old OS. > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 12:13 pm Posted by Keith Stanier (1655 messages posted) Marjorie wrote: >Thanks, Keith and Arminus. |I'd have to format for either and |don't want to lose all my music from |Napster days. |My OE6 works fine. |I can't get to "Tools" to change the account. Well Marjorie your original message said you were using IE 6.0.2800.1106. IE6.0 installs OE6.0 so you should be able to make any changes you want to in Tools\Options or Accounts Do you have a CD burner? You could burn all your music to CD's. Or you could get some USB Flash drives and copy all you files onto them. Make sure you get flash drives that are Win98 compatible even then you will need to install drivers for these drives. I can give you a link to uninversal drivers but I can't get these to work on my Win98SE. Also check the storage size of these drives. All mine are 2GB or less as the larger ones aren't generally compatible. I use Kingston and PQI which you can get of eBay quite cheap. I'm sure that gewg will make a comment about these universal drivers when he reads this. |In Add/Remove programs, there is an |Outlook Express Q837009. |Is that it? |Should I remove it? Well that looks like an M$ update thats been added at sometime you can leave it there for now. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 8:31 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Keith Stanier wrote: |Do you have a CD burner? You could burn all your music to CD's. | Yup. If you don't have all your stuff backed up to EXTERNAL media, you're just asking for trouble. A CD-R will typically hold 600 - 700MB. There are also CD-Rs available up to 900MB. One bad thing about optical media is that the ISO 9660 filesystem limits filenames to 128 characters (64 characters if you use any Unicode characters), so, very long names get chopped short. (...and if you have any spaces, commas, or periods[1] in the filename each of those uses 3 characters: e.g. below the level visible to you, a space is represented as %22.) Saving Favorites is usually where the long names stuff causes problems. Another bad thing about optical media is that it is fragile. It doesn't like being stored in sunlight--especially not direct sunlight. It doesn't like to be written on with Sharpies. ...and, of course, there's the scratches thing. |Or you could get some USB Flash drives and copy all [your] files onto them. | Great idea. I've seen them for $2/GB (1GB is 1000MB) ...and with USB devices there's no problem with filenames. If you're creating new files very often, having 2 devices and doing "rotating" backups every so often is a good plan. |Make sure you get flash drives that are Win98 compatible | Yup. Read the packaging BEFORE handing over your cash. |even then you will need to install drivers for these drives. | Actually, **has proper drivers** is what "Win98 compatible" means. No other operating system since Win9x has this problem. (Actually, Linux--first available in 1991--has NEVER had this problem.) ...and W98 (or any other OS) poses NO other restrictions on a thumbdrive. |I can give you a link to [universal] drivers |but I can't get these to work on my Win98SE. |I'm sure that gewg will make a comment about these universal drivers |when he reads this. | Yup. Keith is the *only* one I've ever heard make this complaint. Just make sure the packaging mentions Windows 98 and comes with media containing the W98 driver or shows a Web link to that. |Also check the storage size of these drives. | Any size USB drive should work just fine. |All mine are 2GB or less as the larger ones aren't generally compatible. | There is no reason why this should be so. [1] ...beyond the period before the file extension (.mpg, .bmp, .exe, etc.). [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Friday, August 7, 2009 at 5:45 am Posted by Arminius (334 messages posted) How many Gig of mp3s do you have Marjorie? A DVD burner might be a better option than a CD burner. OE4.72 was a slight upgrade in Win98 1st ed installed by Win98SP1. I am not sure why it is still there unless Windows restored it from backed up files after you deleted OE6. I vaguely recall reading about some kind of problem when OE4.xx was upgraded directly to OE6.0 but I don't remember what it was. It was NOT an issue when upgrading 4.xx to 5.xx and then 5.xx to 6.0 Do you have the installation files for IE6SP1 on CD? If not I suggest you download it and back it up. There are other files that get updated besides IE and OE. ERPMan has a good collection of updates....for as long as it lasts. http://erpman1.tripod.com/index.html Here is a link to the full browser IE6SP1. http://www.neotekpc.com/downloads/Internet_Explorer/ie60sp1.exe I have my mp3s backed up on an external hard drive, a 160GB drive in an external hard drive case bought separately. In general, it is a good idea to have a second drive as a slave to store your important files instead of the same drive or partition where Windows is installed. Time and time again people have a Windows problem requiring a reinstall and their important files are stored on the drive that needs to be reformatted. If their files were stored on the slave it would not be a problem. Unfortunately some computers are built to accomodate only a single hard drive. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Friday, August 7, 2009 at 12:05 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Arminius wrote: |ERPMan has a good collection of updates....for as long as it lasts. |http://erpman1.tripod.com/index.html | That is a very good page--actual the W98 page that is linked from there. (A lot less cluttered than AXCEL216's pages.) Here is a link that will outlast the actual page: http://web.archive.org/web/20071114072357/http://erpman1.tripod.com/w98meupd.html |Here is a link to the full browser IE6SP1. |[link] | I'm going to chime in again here with my usual doom and gloom: The online apps provided by Micros~1 are the WORST available of their class. Better, more modern, more secure stuff has been available FOR YEARS for FREE. I use the SeaMonkey suite (which was previously called the Mozilla suite and which is Firefox's big brother). It can provide any or all of the following: Browser, email, chat client, HTML editor. For a separate browser and email client from that same family, Firefox and Thunderbird are available. (You want the 2.x stuff for W98.) Opera also provides an excellent modern suite with a browser and email client. Any of those will import all your old email/Favorites. Any of those is easily superior to Internet Exploder / Outbreaks In Excess. (Those M$ programs are the vectors for **most** Windoze infections.) Any of those is more modern and more secure that M$'s junk. ...and way back in 2004, the US Government's computer experts said STOP USING INTERNET EXPLORER. (OE calls IE to do any HTML rendering, making OE an even bigger steaming pile.) In addition, Win9x hasn't been supported by MSFT for over 3 years now. I question the wisdom of people who recommend spending money on this unsupported 10 - 11 year old OS. Indeed, here in the 21st Century, where the Software Libre community is strong, there is rarely any reason to spend money on software. Unless there is some esoteric program that an employer/client requires you to run and which ONLY works under Windoze[1], the things *most* people do with a computer can be done with Linux for FREE: Surf the 'Net, email, instant messaging, read/edit documents. .On top of that, the Ubuntu software repository, for example, currently contains over 26,000 zero-cost, fully-vetted application programs and you can get/install any of those with just a few clicks by using the "Package Manager" that come with Linux (and which makes Windoze's Add/Remove Programs look brain-dead). With a Free Software environment: You don't have to pay for software (already mentioned). No Product Keys; no Product Activation; no Windows Genuine DISAdvantage. Linux will run on your old hardware. You don't need to get/use/maintain anti-malware apps. (You won't have those anti-malware apps sucking up resources either.) Linux **comes** with LOTS of USEFUL software. Additional (still free) programs are just a few clicks away (already mentioned). You don't need to defrag your hard drive. You don't need to scurry about looking for device drivers; (Linux has the best out-of-the-box hardware support of ANY OS.) Here's the best part: You don't have to *install* Linux to try it; you can run it from the "LiveCD" --and (unlike M$'s terrible CDs) a Linux CD loads to a graphical desktop, just as if it *was* installed to the hard drive-- but the hard drive never gets changed unless you like your "test drive" and YOU say you want to install Linux. (If you have the hard drive space, it can co-exist with Windoze.) If you don't like the look & feel of *that* Linux "distribution", just try another. There are hundreds of variants[2]; there's one to suit everyone. Some distributions (aka "distros") suitable for current Win98 users: Damn Small Linux is often mentioned, but this distro has gotten to be even better: http://google.com/search?q=SliTaz Puppy Linux is another light version of Linux that works on Win98-era boxes. This one takes just a bit more resources but is very nice (and uses the same package manager / software repositories as Ubuntu): http://google.com/search?q=intitle:moonOS+LXDE If you have at least 256MB of RAM, Linux Mint is AWESOME. It is also based on Ubuntu and it **comes** with Flash, Java, Acrobat Reader, codecs, Microsoft fonts --all the stuff that even Windoze users have to download separately[3]. ...and I'll bet there's a bunch of nerds in your community that can demo several versions of this modern software ecosystem --even on YOUR computer (again: the "LiveCD" thing)-- so you can try them out and choose the one that appeals to you most. They can fix you up (install/configure it for you)--again without spending any money. http://google.com/search?q=installfest You can even find a mentor there. [1] ...and, even then, **most** Windoze-compatible apps from the Win98 era **will** run under Linux using something called WINE (also Free Software). [2] There are only about a dozen basic versions of Linux (e.g. Debian, RedHat, SuSE, Gentoo) but there are LOTS of "spins" of each of those with those variants pre-customizing the basic look and feel. [3] Write your Congresscritter and tell him how STUPID you think software patents are. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Friday, August 7, 2009 at 9:26 pm Posted by Arminius (334 messages posted) gewg wrote: |I question the wisdom of people |who recommend spending money on this unsupported 10 - 11 year old OS. Well.... annoyances.org has an antipiracy policy and the rules must be obeyed. If someone posts a question about a specific piece of software IE or OE, I try to answer the question rather than try to talk them into using some other program. Besides, we have YOU for that. 8-) gewg wrote: ||Here is a link to the full browser IE6SP1. ||[link] |I'm going to chime in again here with my usual doom and gloom: |The online apps provided by Micros~1 are the WORST available of their class. |Better, more modern, more secure stuff has been available FOR YEARS for FREE. When IE is upgraded a number of other components are upgraded whether you use IE or not. Upgrading IE after a clean install of Win98 is a good idea even if you have no intention of using IE. The alternative is to have an even older unpatched version of IE on your computer. gewg wrote: |If you have at least 256MB of RAM, Linux Mint is AWESOME. I think most of those Ubuntu clones recommend 512MB of RAM although most Pentium III class computers should support that amount. gewg wrote: |Here's the best part: |You don't have to *install* Linux to try it; you can run it from the "LiveCD" Seems to be a good way to copy files from a Win98 computer to a thumb drive even if the the thumb drive is not supported under Win98. I don't know if you got my reply to the e-mail you sent me. I think one of the reasons Linux isn't more popular is that quite a number of commands still need to be typed whereas in Windows just about everything can be accomplished with a mouse click. On the other hand Linux is becoming more popular thanks to Vista. It would be interesting to see if the trend continues with Windows 7. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: clean-up after OE tantrum delete Friday, August 7, 2009 at 11:05 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) gewg wrote: ||I question the wisdom of people ||who recommend spending money on this unsupported 10 - 11 year old OS. || Arminius wrote: |Well.... annoyances.org has an antipiracy policy and the rules must be obeyed. | I'm not saying to pirate anything. I'm saying don't consider replacing obsolete stuff with yet more unsupported stuff. If you're going to *pay* for something that's _not_ obsolete, you'll get payware that likely won't run on your W98-era hardware. Even W2k will soon be unsupported. Don't throw good money after bad. Just avoid payware. Outside VERY vertical markets, it's an obsolete concept. |If someone posts a question about a specific piece of software IE or OE, |I try to answer the question |rather than try to talk them into using some other program. | It reminds me of the old question "Do you still beat your wife?" cache of http://www.computer-dictionary-online.org/Mu.htm Again, the CERT advisory on IE is over 5 years old. cache of http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878 The advice was (and still is) Use ANY other browser. With OE tying into IE, don't use OE either. |Besides, we have YOU for that. 8-) | I'll take all the help I can get. There are more than enough botnets already. ||The online apps provided by Micros~1 are the WORST available of their class. ||Better, more modern, more secure stuff has been available FOR YEARS for FREE. || |When IE is upgraded[,] a number of other components are upgraded |whether you use IE or not. | Valid point. |Upgrading IE after a clean install of Win98 is a good idea |even if you have no intention of using IE. The alternative |is to have an even older unpatched version of IE on your computer. | I recommend that everyone tweak his software firewall to block IE. The issue of IE's state (lousy security) then becomes moot. After that, use a browser that isn't an open wound just waiting to be infected. The last remaining online use for IE6 was Windows Update. Its time has passed. What's left is the HTML rendering engine. IE6's standards compliance is a bad joke so all that is left for it to do is rendering stuff like the Windoze Help system and other poorly-coded apps that aren't smart enough to call the *default* browser. ||If you have at least 256MB of RAM, Linux Mint is AWESOME. || |I think most of those Ubuntu clones recommend 512MB of RAM | Well, as always, the more you have the nicer it is. 192MB is the minimum specified for the Gnome/KDE *buntu variants. At that level, you'll end up turning off eye candy, but it will run. Mint also has Xfce and Fluxbox variants that will run in 128MB. In addition, another light version built around LXDE should be out any time now. Mint is just smokin'. ||Here's the best part: ||You don't have to *install* Linux to try it; you can run it from the "LiveCD" || |Seems to be a good way to copy files from a Win98 computer to a thumb drive |even if the the thumb drive is not supported under Win98. | Yup. Bootable Linux CDs are the best thing since sliced bread. I always smile when Linux rescues Windoze's fragile butt ...and I always frown when a brain-dead Windoze install nukes Linux. |I don't know if you got my reply to the e-mail you sent me. | Yeah, I did. |I think one of the reasons Linux isn't more popular |is that quite a number of commands still need to be typed | Your anecdotes are extremely dated. Almost everything these days has a GUI version. Typing is more efficient in many cases, but it's rarely mandatory. |whereas in Windows |just about everything can be accomplished with a mouse click. | Typically it takes more time searching and clicking --and takes a lot more than a single click. Most newbies working at a command line are cutting & pasting text anyway. |On the other hand Linux is becoming more popular thanks to Vista. | When all the PC magazines' writers started calling Vista junk (what with their bread & butter being M$ ads) you knew the end was near. I just saw that Brazil (5th most populous) is converting all its schools to Linux. Malaysia's government (including schools & everything else) is converting too; they're 64% completed. |It would be interesting to see if the trend continues with Windows 7. | ...aka Vista SP3. The only power M$ has left is its ability to buy off politicians (and with M$ stock headed downward, that is waning). To be generous to M$, on technical issues, at best there is parity; bad design choices (like poor modularity and miserable security) and trying to hide its flaws behind closed-source code have put M$ on the losing side of history. It's only a matter of time now. [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows 98 Discussion Forum