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re: Dontcha wish Windoze had something like this?
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Posted by Arminius
(334 messages posted)
That goes back to what I had said before about the need to type commands in Linux
being an obstacle to wider acceptance.
Although, if Microsoft puts out more OS's like Vista then Linux could be the tortoise
that wins the race.
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re: Dontcha wish Windoze had something like this?
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Steve
(23810 messages posted)
Reading the info at that link would probably stop more Windows users from trying
Linux then anything else.........:)
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re: Dontcha wish Windoze had something like this?
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Posted by gewg_
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Steve wrote:
|Reading the info at that link would probably stop more Windows users
|from trying Linux [than] anything else.........:)
Could be. OTOH, if someone actually showed that newbie the POWER of apt-get
and how it can fetch, install, AND update using just ONE command line
--completely unattended after the initial command is given--
THEN the n00b might be more impressed.
If it was done for EIGHT application programs using just ONE command
then I think *ANY* Windoze user would be pretty impressed.
...and do I really need to mention that all 8 of those are gratis and libre?
What's TOTALLY cool
is when you turn Ubuntu into a *custom* version of Kubuntu
by doing a cut & paste of a really long command line.
(You CAN get *the standard KDE Desktop* install with a really simple command,
BUT a lot of folks think there a better way to get it than using that
and/or better than using a Kubuntu install CD
because a lot of the KDE-based stuff never gets used by Joe Average.)
apt-get can also be used to UNinstall stuff.
The proprietary M$ C-sharp/dotNet/Silverlight stuff
that comes with more recent M$ OSes
has a Free Software (oh, the irony) equivalent called Mono.
Mono is installed by default in some recent distros
and a lot of Free Software advocates are NOT happy about that.
Luckily, apt-get can dump all of that with a single command.
...and any of this _can_ be done under Linux
with a click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click... process
if you **really** want to do it the tedious Windoze way
--but even then, after issuing the directive
Linux still does all 3 parts of the job without having to babysit it any more.
In short, I think most Windoze users would be stoked seeing apt-get in action
when compared to the anemic Add/Remove Programs thing in Windoze.
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re: Dontcha wish Windoze had something like this?
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Posted by gewg_
(4444 messages posted)
Arminius wrote:
|That goes back to what I had said before
|about the need to type commands in Linux being an obstacle to wider acceptance.
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You're overstating your case.
M$'s removing a useful command line from its OSes was a BAD choice.
Notice I used the word CHOICE. Choice is what you get with Linux.
As I said to Steve, you don't HAVE to use the command line with apt-get;
its Synaptic graphical front end makes it quite friendly to all
--at the cost of it being more tedious to click, click, click, click, click...
|Although, if Microsoft puts out more OS's like Vista
|then Linux could be the tortoise that wins the race.
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Another metaphor: The Little OS That Could. 8-)
In 2006, there was a community spin of Slackware with an interesting name:
cache
of http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/SLAX-KillBill-Edition-1957.shtml
It was meant to be a demonstrator about how you could live without Redmond.
That distro could easily have used the old tagline
"In a world with walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"
Some folks are finding that
Vista / Vista 7 have HORRIBLE backwards compatibility with their apps.
The usual advice from the Free Software folks is
"See how your app runs under WINE".
Most folks aren't having any problems
going the Linux route with their "broken" apps.
So, yes. Indeed.
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re: Dontcha wish Windoze had something like this?
Thursday, August 20, 2009 at 12:09 am
Posted by Steve
(23810 messages posted)
Windows Users are a lazy bunch.
After Helping Six Users this year convert Linux Netbooks to XP after they could not
figure out how to install something like their favorite Screensaver made me realize
that even preinstalled, Linux is Hard to swallow for many.
New Linux people are lost when their IT Staff (Friends and Neighbors) can't help
them.
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