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re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 10:02 pm Posted by bob wells (1636 messages posted) Kiwi, Have you run System File Checker? Just a thought. Could be just some Version changes from using old/new Hardare/Drivers. BW. On Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Kiwi wrote: >Two days apart on two different "Retro PC" projects, I have run into odd stuff I >haven't seen from any Windows OS before. The most recent is a clean install on an >old Fujitsu 6.4 GB Hdd that I'm getting an SU00013 error message as if the drive >was formatted in NTFS or something other than FAT32, when it is not. I have already >copied drivers and subsidiary items to the drive, because so few old CDs for old >parts still exist, and it's usually easier to put the stuff in folders than burning >special CDs. > >I would like to avoid erasing the partition information and starting over. There's >bound to be some bonehead annoying thing that Windows does sometime when it should >not, causing this. > >The other thing is a check that Windows does when it tries to load the Windows Explorer, >and well, damn! My mind went totally blank! I can't tell you the error message. > Something it finds in or with USER32.DLL. I'll let that one go for now, I guess. > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 10:07 pm Posted by bob wells (1636 messages posted) Google Search. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Win98%2Buser.exe+errors&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= BW On Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Kiwi wrote: >Two days apart on two different "Retro PC" projects, I have run into odd stuff I >haven't seen from any Windows OS before. The most recent is a clean install on an >old Fujitsu 6.4 GB Hdd that I'm getting an SU00013 error message as if the drive >was formatted in NTFS or something other than FAT32, when it is not. I have already >copied drivers and subsidiary items to the drive, because so few old CDs for old >parts still exist, and it's usually easier to put the stuff in folders than burning >special CDs. > >I would like to avoid erasing the partition information and starting over. There's >bound to be some bonehead annoying thing that Windows does sometime when it should >not, causing this. > >The other thing is a check that Windows does when it tries to load the Windows Explorer, >and well, damn! My mind went totally blank! I can't tell you the error message. > Something it finds in or with USER32.DLL. I'll let that one go for now, I guess. > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:45 am Posted by C K (6910 messages posted) Can you get your hands on another brand drive? Fugitsu had firmware incompatibilities in their old drives for some boards and chipsets/IDE controllers. Wasn't the drivers fault, and I never found an answer for the systems I worked on accept going to a WD, Maxtor or Seagate drive. Of course, it was never officially acknowledged, but a lot of drives went back, including the ones I had purchased to build systems with in the middle to late 90's. Did you verify that all of the parameters were correct in the BIOS as it pertains to the drive? You also may have to zero out the drive and start over, if it "is" a drive issue. On the other hand, you could have issues beyond just the hardware or a combo of hardware and software. Isn't old stuff fun to work with!?? LOL [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 4:02 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) I did two things with it. Made it a slave to another, a Maxtor, and dug out a Promise controller to get past an 8 GB Hdd size limit in the old thing's BIOS (Intel i430TX chipset), the Maxtor was in the very first Pentium PC I owned, when I tore it down about four years ago to make room for newer stuff. That oldie had Via's VP3 chipset, and the MB didn't seem usable just a year or two after it was set aside. It just wouldn't do anything any more. When new, it had a 2 to 4 GB Hdd in it, and may have needed a Promise in it for more than just running too many IDE devices. I have more time than spendable income (retired), and these oldies are relatively cheap to assemble, and have plenty of usability left in them. The other PC has a dual boot with W2K, so I can work with file management in that OS. It's somewhat faster than the currently worked on system, which is running at 166 MHz, and I have too little patience for Win2000's slowness in that small a PC (also limited in RAM because of the way it caches it). . Kiwi ** On Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:45 am, C K wrote: >Can you get your hands on another brand drive? Fugitsu had firmware incompatibilities >in their old drives for some boards and chipsets/IDE controllers. Wasn't the drivers >fault, and I never found an answer for the systems I worked on accept going to a >WD, Maxtor or Seagate drive. > >Of course, it was never officially acknowledged, but a lot of drives went back, including >the ones I had purchased to build systems with in the middle to late 90's. > >Did you verify that all of the parameters were correct in the BIOS as it pertains >to the drive? You also may have to zero out the drive and start over, if it "is" >a drive issue. On the other hand, you could have issues beyond just the hardware >or a combo of hardware and software. > >Isn't old stuff fun to work with!?? LOL [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 9:20 am Posted by C K (6910 messages posted) Ahhhh.. You are working with some ancient (by computer standards) hardware. If you lived down the street, I have some old 6, 8 and 10 gig drives as well as some other old hardware and motherboards that still work, that I would certainly donate to your cause. (software too, early 1990's) I just trashed some 1.6 and 3 gig WD's that were still good and some graphics/sound boards (had all the drivers disks to). Yes, W2K takes 4 times the machine power than does Win 9X, so I can imagine how slow it would be on a 166. I have an old Asus P5A that runs W2K pretty well if you want it. I even had some memory that fit the old 386 and 486 boards and that went with the HDD's. If you lived in the USA, I'd be happy to send it all! Would help me make room for some other electronics coming in.. In fact, I was just sorting through parts and pieces yesterday that I no longer ever plan to, or have use for.. LOL I hate throwing useable things away, if someone can make use of it. (Love wood, hate particle board) ;-) [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 9:32 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) I'll still follow up on your link, but my own Google search had gotten only a very limited range of hits, none of which seemed quite fully pertinent. From more recent hardware, I have had several systems that "didn't like" a Hitachi 80 GB drive, and it only recently found a home almost three years after it was purchased. . Kiwi ** On Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 10:07 pm, bob wells wrote: >Google Search. > >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Win98%2Buser.exe+errors&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= > >BW > > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 11:45 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) When my nephew in Austin, an hour north of here, first became interested in PCs, I hauled everything predating the P-II / K6-2 up there for him to tinker with. I had to go onto eBay and visit some thrift stores to have P1 MMX processors to play with, but I resisted the pre-MMX, pre-Pentium Pro, old stuff. No more MS-DOS for me; I had my 20 years of command line experiece already, and that was enough. I'm always running out of room for "stuff", like the favorite George Carlin comedy skit (still sad he passed when he still had so much cogent to turn into laughs). I have to separate "wheat from chaff" often around here! I think that the drop from about 256 MBs of RAM down to 128 or less defines the "too small, too slow" limit for W2K as much or more than the performance gap between either a K6-2 or a P-II at 233 MHz, where I have often had Windows2000 run happily, and the little 166 MHz rig I have going together right now. (For Bob, I still have the Pentium 1 system breadboarded atop my only work surface for that sort of thing, and that's also where I set up these oldies when they are inside their enclosures. Otherwise, once assembled that far, they have to live in shipping cartons so that they are more easily stacked back in the back of storage spaces. The P-II PC complaining about User32.DLL didn't have any of the error messages your link led to, but thanks. I'll get back to it in a couple of days.) . Kiwi ** On Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 9:20 am, C K wrote: >Ahhhh.. You are working with some ancient (by computer standards) hardware. If >you lived down the street, I have some old 6, 8 and 10 gig drives as well as some >other old hardware and motherboards that still work, that I would certainly donate >to your cause. (software too, early 1990's) I just trashed some 1.6 and 3 gig WD's >that were still good and some graphics/sound boards (had all the drivers disks to). > > >Yes, W2K takes 4 times the machine power than does Win 9X, so I can imagine how slow >it would be on a 166. I have an old Asus P5A that runs W2K pretty well if you want >it. I even had some memory that fit the old 386 and 486 boards and that went with >the HDD's. If you lived in the USA, I'd be happy to send it all! Would help me >make room for some other electronics coming in.. In fact, I was just sorting through >parts and pieces yesterday that I no longer ever plan to, or have use for.. LOL > >I hate throwing useable things away, if someone can make use of it. (Love wood, >hate particle board) ;-) [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:00 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Kiwi wrote: |I have more time than spendable income (retired), |and these oldies are relatively cheap to assemble, |and have plenty of usability left in them. C K wrote: :I hate throwing useable things away, if someone can make use of it. Amen and amen. You fellas are reminding me of this guy in Austin, Texas: from the Usenet Archive: The HeliOS Project A big difference is that he doesn't have to bother with software licenses because he doesn't use software that has EULAs. Some time back, he almost lost his temper when a know-it-all teacher took away a student's Free Software CDs because she thought anything that wasn't M$ stuff was pirated. What he did that got folks' attention was to write an open letter criticizing ignorance and sheep-like acceptance WRT payware and software licences. http://google.com/search?q=teacher+"Ken.Stark" The amazing thing is that if schools didn't squander so much money on payware, they could use that money to augment their teachers' salaries. By accepting M$'s "gifts" (and M$ lock-in), they are cutting their own throats. Schools outside the USA have realized that e.g. Malaysia, Spain, Russia, Brazil... Here in the home of the bravesheep, adoption of Free(dom) Software is MUCH slower. BTW, Kiwi, your "HTML" (font color & size) isn't coming thru --because it isn't valid HTML. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:03 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Kiwi wrote: |[...]an old Fujitsu 6.4 GB Hdd |[...]I have already copied drivers and subsidiary items to the drive[...] |I would like to avoid erasing the partition information and starting over. A short while back, someone here was having problems getting the M$'s FDISK to give a clean-slate condition. The suggestion was to truly wipe the thing clean with DBAN *before* letting the M$ utility have a go at it. I think the solution is going to be unpleasant for you in this case. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:14 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Kiwi wrote: |I'll still follow up on your link ...which you've rendered to be shorter than Bob' ridiculously long thing. Bob's: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Win98%2Buser.exe+errors&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Yours: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Win98%2Buser.exe+errors Mine: http://google.com/search?q=Win98+errors+"user.exe" [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:28 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Kiwi wrote: |[...]I'm always running out of room for "stuff", |like the favorite George Carlin comedy skit |(still sad he passed when he still had so much cogent to turn into laughs). ...and showing us, under a veneer of mirth, our blindness to truth: cache of http://books.atheism.ru/atheists/carlin.html That one might not go over so well there in The Bible Belt. Note also that the site where I found that has a Russian URL. (American self-censorship??) George, having been raised Catholic, did a great job with The Two Commandments as well. This one strikes at the heart of our egalitarian pretence: cache of http://www.rense.com/general82/carrlin.htm George was one in a billion. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 3:14 pm Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) Off-Topic Warning! Way off! Austin is a major university's home city, with all of the far left liberal thought processes that a sizable part of the university level educational personnel subscribe to, buried in the south central, semi-redneck part of the state. I wouldn't want to live there, but it's fun to visit, rather like the Sea World parks and Six Flags parks are. I'm neither one; not an egghead bleeding heart spotted owl liberal, nor a rural redneck, although between the two, I suppose I'm a little "closer" to being a redneck in spite of a couple of fancy sheets of parchment (degrees) saying otherwise! . Kiwi ** On Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:28 pm, gewg_ wrote: >Kiwi wrote: >|[...]I'm always running out of room for "stuff", >|like the favorite George Carlin comedy skit >|(still sad he passed when he still had so much cogent to turn into laughs). > >...and showing us, under a veneer of mirth, our blindness to truth: >cache >of http://books.atheism.ru/atheists/carlin.html >That one might not go over so well there in The Bible Belt. >Note also that the site where I found that has a Russian URL. >(American self-censorship??) > >George, having been raised Catholic, >did a great job with The Two Commandments as well. > >This one strikes at the heart of our egalitarian pretence: >cache >of http://www.rense.com/general82/carrlin.htm > >George was one in a billion. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Friday, October 2, 2009 at 4:25 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) I honestly had forgotten I tried to edit the Sig to that extent. I'll try to remember to look up the correct code for what I want to do -- one of these days, I suppose. . Kiwi ** On Thursday, October 1, 2009 at 12:00 pm, gewg_ wrote: > > > >BTW, Kiwi, your "HTML" (font color & size) isn't coming thru >--because it isn't valid HTML. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Two curious errors I haven't seen before in this OS Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 9:18 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) The last time that I had the Slot-1 PC running was the day before I posted the opening query in this thread, & that day I couldn't recall what Windows kept saying when it wouldn't /couldn't start Windows Explorer: > Something it finds in or with USER32.DLL. I'll let that one go for now, I guess. > There are two dialog boxes. The first one has this message: "The Explorer.Exe file is linked to missing export USER32.DLL:IsHungAppWindow." The second dialog box comes up and says "A device attached to the system is not functioning." Windows Explorer doesn't start. Google was no help on this one (lots of hits, no specifics, though). Any ideas? . Kiwi ** On Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Kiwi wrote: >Two days apart on two different "Retro PC" projects, I have run into odd stuff I >haven't seen from any Windows OS before. > (snipped here) >The other thing is a check that Windows does when it tries to load the Windows Explorer, >and well, damn! My mind went totally blank! I can't tell you the error message. > Something it finds in or with USER32.DLL. I'll let that one go for now, I guess. > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Second one of the two curious errors I hadn't seen before in this OS Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 6:36 pm Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) It's about to become academic. Of the several candidate systems for running Freespace I in a semblance of the hardware matching its release, the one using a Micronics i430TX mainboard is just abominably slow, maybe 10% of the potential performance of the processor. I sent that pile of junk to the recycling bin. Not quite as bad, but still "Annoying", was the Abit BX-6 board with the i440BX chipset, which ran Win98se slower than it did Win2000, plus, wouldn't run Windows Explorer as per the second odd error here. I'm reformatting and repartitioning its jumpered 40 GB Hdd (max it can use is 32 GBs) to give the first of Gewg's pets a shot. Right now, an Asus P2L97 board with an i440LX chipset seems to be the winning setup for the low end, 233 MHz Retro game system (not the one for Freespace any more; I think it's a shade "too" retro for that), and perhaps a Via MVP4 system for the 450 MHz Medium-old platform (but I wish I could figure out what makes that one take so long loading Win98se before it's ready to go to work). . Kiwi ** On Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 9:18 am, Kiwi wrote: >The last time that I had the Slot-1 PC running was the day before I posted the opening >query in this thread, & that day I couldn't recall what Windows kept saying when >it wouldn't /couldn't start Windows Explorer: > >> Something it finds in or with USER32.DLL. I'll let that one go for now, I guess. >> > >There are two dialog boxes. The first one has this message: "The Explorer.Exe file >is linked to missing export USER32.DLL:IsHungAppWindow." > >The second dialog box comes up and says "A device attached to the system is not functioning." > >Windows Explorer doesn't start. Google was no help on this one (lots of hits, no >specifics, though). Any ideas? > > > > . > >Kiwi > >** > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Abit BX-6 and slow-running Win98se Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:27 pm Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) The first one (non-Windows) will be "Bee". I've ordered a copy of DSL on CD, so I don't have another very long D/L to deal with (final time on Bee was about 15 hours total). There's only me; the oldest kid has managed to keep his rent paid on an apartment for four years straight now, without getting so far behind he had to move back here again, to avoid forcible eviction . . (Which just leaves me as the only possible wringer of worried hands, Gewg.) And I'll bet I'm in less of a hurry than most anyone (or I wouldn't have had the patience for babying any system along with Win98se on it this long after it was obsolete). . Kiwi ** On Sunday, October 18, 2009 at 6:36 pm, Kiwi wrote: >It's about to become academic. Of the several candidate systems for running Freespace >I in a semblance of the hardware matching its release, the one using a Micronics >i430TX mainboard is just abominably slow, maybe 10% of the potential performance >of the processor. I sent that pile of junk to the recycling bin. > >Not quite as bad, but still "Annoying", was the Abit BX-6 board with the i440BX chipset, >which ran Win98se slower than it did Win2000, plus, wouldn't run Windows Explorer >as per the second odd error here. I'm reformatting and repartitioning its jumpered >40 GB Hdd (max it can use is 32 GBs) to give the first of Gewg's pets a shot. > >Right now, an Asus P2L97 board with an i440LX chipset seems to be the winning setup >for the low end, 233 MHz Retro game system (not the one for Freespace any more; I >think it's a shade "too" retro for that), and perhaps a Via MVP4 system for the 450 >MHz Medium-old platform (but I wish I could figure out what makes that one take so >long loading Win98se before it's ready to go to work). > > > > > . > >Kiwi > >** > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Abit BX-6 and slow-running Win98se Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 5:45 pm Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) Kiwi wrote: |The first one (non-Windows) will be "Bee". | 8-) Being able to test drive an OS from the CD will be a nice change for you. Since Bee uses the Xfce Desktop, that should be a good match for an old CPU. The more RAM you can give it, the happier you'll be. |(final [download] time on Bee was about 15 hours | 8-( Your ISP sucks. |I've ordered a copy of DSL on CD | Damn Small should work on even the most lightweight hardware configs --without getting pwned, as can happen with Puppy. |(only [one] possible wringer of worried hands, Gewg.) | You know me and my hyperbole. Refactor accordingly. 8;-) |And I'll bet I'm in less of a hurry than most anyone | Ah, the calmness that accompanies the advancing years. |Kiwi | Now cut & paste your rejiggered sig; I'm getting tired of looking at that silliness. Kiwi [Reply or follow-up to this message] That Abit BX-6 was plaguing me in my dreams Friday, October 23, 2009 at 12:22 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) Once again, in the wee hours, when I should be asleep, I waked up, and the last thing I was dreaming involved the PC referred to in this thread! Of course, it was out of context in every way, but at least there was nothing nightmarish about the dream. I almost went into my shop and finished up the system still on the work table in breadboard to clear space to set that screwy P2 system up again (both are P2s, one is an Abit, the other is an Asus). The Asus is "normal" about its W2K vs Win98se dual boot -- no easily perceived speed difference there. . Kiwi ** On Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 5:45 pm, gewg_ wrote: >Kiwi wrote: >|The first one (non-Windows) will be "Bee". >| >8-) Being able to test drive an OS from the CD will be a nice change for you. >Since Bee uses the Xfce Desktop, that should be a good match for an old CPU. >The more RAM you can give it, the happier you'll be. > >8-( Your ISP sucks. > Well, that's what I told you before. >|I've ordered a copy of DSL on CD >| >Damn Small should work on even the most lightweight hardware configs >--without getting pwned, as can happen with Puppy. > What I haven't located for that one, is its own WINE (I suppose just Fedora in general?) > >|And I'll bet I'm in less of a hurry than most anyone >| >Ah, the calmness that accompanies the advancing years. > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: That Abit BX-6 was plaguing me in my dreams Friday, October 23, 2009 at 11:48 am Posted by gewg_ (4444 messages posted) At the Reply page, you will see the HTML source code for this: Kiwi Cut & paste that HTML into the Footer box on this page: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win98/config gewg_ wrote: ||Damn Small should work on even the most lightweight hardware configs ||--without getting pwned, as can happen with Puppy. Kiwi wrote: |What I haven't located for that one, is its own WINE |(I suppose just Fedora in general?) I'm not sure what "that one" is in this context, but "Fedora" is a red herring in either case. Again: I recommend against Puppy and its security model. It is unsuitable for learning the proper use of Linux. Fedora is based on RedHat; Puppy is its own bloodline. Each of these bloodlines has its own distinctive package manager: RPM; PET. Damn Small is based on Knoppix which, in turn, is based on Debian. DSL, Knoppix, and Debian all use the Debian Package Manager (DEB) paradigm. (You may have noticed that I am prejudiced against non-DEB-based stuff.) Getting good with Google is recommended in seeking out such answers: e.g. http://google.com/search?q=repositories+OR+repository+WINE+site:DamnSmallLinux.org yields cache of http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/f/topic-3-14-8495-0.html (The DSL archives are especially intelligently set up.) apt-get is the lowest common denominator across all distros; it is one of the 1st things you want to get a handle on. As mentioned, numerous distros have a click-and-drool interface to apt-get, again, called a "package manager" and each of those is a bit different. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: That Abit BX-6 was plaguing me in my dreams Monday, October 26, 2009 at 3:28 am Posted by Kiwi (2228 messages posted) Last night, I did get more sleep during hours of darkness than last Friday. Maybe it was wakefulness without having had enough sleep to handle the tiredness when I wrote this next: Kiwi wrote: >Once again, in the wee hours, when I should be asleep, I waked up, and the last >thing I was dreaming involved the PC referred to in this thread! Of course, it >was out of context in every way, but at least there was nothing nightmarish about >the dream. > >I almost went into my shop and finished up the system still on the work table in >breadboard to clear space to set that screwy P2 system up again (both are P2s, >one is an Abit, the other is an Asus). The Asus is "normal" about its W2K vs >Win98se dual boot -- no easily perceived speed difference there. > > . > >Kiwi > >** > I did eliminate the erronneous size codes in it. Bee is the one with a Fedora underpinning, and because Knoppix already normally includes WINE, and DSL does not, the generic Debian wine from here: http://soft.softoogle.com/ap/wine-get-2062.shtml Apparently is what I needed. Meanwhile, Windows98se is covered in the range I was fighting an ALi chipset PC and the i440BX machine as well, by either one of a Via MVP4 system with a Tekram mainboard, and /or an Asus MB based PC with the Intel i440LX chipset. I can play at Linux with either or both of the "failed" systems. . Kiwi ** [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows 98 Discussion Forum