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re: Why are cracks illegal? Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 11:06 am Posted by UnDEAD (1 messages posted) I think they are illegal because they're made by reverse engineering the product (... but how do they prove this?), and because you're not allowed to modify the program in it's binary form... *what the hell... you can't even debug an operating system you bought?* Well, you can... But you're not allowed to spread information, tools, utilities, papers on what you've learned... On Monday, November 12, 2001 at 12:00 pm, mmp wrote: >You mention that cracks are unethical and illegal. Why exactly? Unethical - i guess >that is up to individuals to decide. I don't agree that it is illegal. The DMCA >protects circumvension of encryption techniques to gain access to copyright materials. > Is WPA really an encryption technique? I don't think so. What other laws could >be used to consider WPA cracks illegal? > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Friday, December 21, 2001 at 8:31 am Posted by khawk (12 messages posted) On Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 11:06 am, UnDEAD wrote: >I think they are illegal because they're made by reverse engineering the product >(... but how do they prove this?), and because you're not allowed to modify the program >in it's binary form... > >*what the hell... you can't even debug an operating system you bought?* Well, you >can... But you're not allowed to spread information, tools, utilities, papers on >what you've learned... > > > >On Monday, November 12, 2001 at 12:00 pm, mmp wrote: >You mention that cracks are unethical and illegal. Why exactly? Unethical - i >guess >that is up to individuals to decide. I don't agree that it is illegal. The DMCA > >protects circumvension of encryption techniques to gain access to copyright materials. > > Is WPA really an encryption technique? I don't think so. What other laws could > >be used to consider WPA cracks illegal? > Reverse Engineering and Cracks weren't illegal for the longest time. Especially reverse engineering for the purpose of Compatibility. (Now don't get too fancy and think that this ment making an unactivated WinXP compatible with your new computer, not the same thing.) The intent was for making technologies such as DVD movies play in foriegn and unsupported enviroments like Linux. However, a few years ago, Congress passed the DMCA Act which made it illegal to reverse engineer technologies that were intended to protect copywritten material. This definition is extremely vague, but does indeed cover cracks that disable the product activation. Many of the things you may have done in the past are now illegal today such as copying your Favorite VHS tape to Beta. (remember those?) Or copying your game CD's to keep in the event that you lost the original. Bottom line, you no longer own what you buy, you merely rent the right to use it in their terms. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 7:46 pm Posted by Sam Katz (1 messages posted) I am a liberal who believes in copyright rights, but *they* are iilegal because it is possible for a corporation to need legitimate protection. Take Trillian, a FREE software that people cracked so it said they donated.. cracks go too far. Take Paint Shop Pro, an excellent program still pined for by me even after trying the free alternative (www.gimp.org/win32), plus PSP never expires. But why is it iilegal? Because the TOS and copyright label states "All Rights Reserved"..an add-on that circumvents that copyright is against the law, and is called a crack. On Friday, December 21, 2001 at 8:31 am, khawk wrote: > > > >On Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 11:06 am, UnDEAD wrote: >I think they are illegal because they're made by reverse engineering the product >(... but how do they prove this?), and because you're not allowed to modify the >program >in it's binary form... > > > >*what the hell... you can't even debug an operating system you bought?* Well, you >can... But you're not allowed to spread information, tools, utilities, papers on >what you've learned... > > > > > > >On Monday, November 12, 2001 at 12:00 pm, mmp wrote: > >You mention that cracks are unethical and illegal. Why exactly? Unethical - i >guess > >that is up to individuals to decide. I don't agree that it is illegal. The DMCA > > >protects circumvension of encryption techniques to gain access to copyright materials. > > > Is WPA really an encryption technique? I don't think so. What other laws could > > >be used to consider WPA cracks illegal? > > > > > >Reverse Engineering and Cracks weren't illegal for the longest time. Especially reverse >engineering for the purpose of Compatibility. (Now don't get too fancy and think >that this ment making an unactivated WinXP compatible with your new computer, not >the same thing.) The intent was for making technologies such as DVD movies play in >foriegn and unsupported enviroments like Linux. However, a few years ago, Congress >passed the DMCA Act which made it illegal to reverse engineer technologies that were >intended to protect copywritten material. This definition is extremely vague, but >does indeed cover cracks that disable the product activation. Many of the things >you may have done in the past are now illegal today such as copying your Favorite >VHS tape to Beta. (remember those?) Or copying your game CD's to keep in the event >that you lost the original. Bottom line, you no longer own what you buy, you merely >rent the right to use it in their terms. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 12:20 pm Posted by Animus Morgan (1 messages posted) Few people WANT to steal, fewer still when there isn't an actual need. MicroSoft however has created the need with thier preditory behavour. Using MS's OS has ceased to be an option. It has become an essential component of civilized life for many people, much like a telephone. A 'must have' regardless of one's ability to pay for it. Fortunatly my income is not MS based and I have the luxury of a non-MS choice. On Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 7:46 pm, Sam Katz wrote: >I am a liberal who believes in copyright rights, but *they* are iilegal because it >is possible for a corporation to need legitimate protection. Take Trillian, a FREE >software that people cracked so it said they donated.. cracks go too far. > >Take Paint Shop Pro, an excellent program still pined for by me even after trying >the free alternative (www.gimp.org/win32), plus PSP never expires. > >But why is it iilegal? Because the TOS and copyright label states "All Rights Reserved"..an >add-on that circumvents that copyright is against the law, and is called a crack. > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Wednesday, August 7, 2002 at 8:41 am Posted by Rob (112 messages posted) the DMCA makes illegal any method or tool used to circumvent a COPYRIGHT PROTECTION scheme. it says nothing about encryption. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 5:56 am Posted by Alex (2 messages posted) Cracks are not illegal. They are if you do not own the product but if you just don't want to have to insert the CD every time then that is perfectly fine. On Monday, November 12, 2001 at 12:00 pm, mmp wrote: >You mention that cracks are unethical and illegal. Why exactly? Unethical - i guess >that is up to individuals to decide. I don't agree that it is illegal. The DMCA >protects circumvension of encryption techniques to gain access to copyright materials. > Is WPA really an encryption technique? I don't think so. What other laws could >be used to consider WPA cracks illegal? > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Saturday, August 2, 2003 at 5:24 pm Posted by Marko B. (14 messages posted) Don't see why. They're your bytes, aren't they? You should be able to do whatever you want with em ;). On Monday, November 12, 2001 at 12:00 pm, mmp wrote: >You mention that cracks are unethical and illegal. Why exactly? Unethical - i guess >that is up to individuals to decide. I don't agree that it is illegal. The DMCA >protects circumvension of encryption techniques to gain access to copyright materials. > Is WPA really an encryption technique? I don't think so. What other laws could >be used to consider WPA cracks illegal? > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 8:19 am Posted by Guy (98 messages posted) >Don't see why. They're your bytes, aren't they? You should be able to do whatever >you want with em ;). Actually no they are not, you dont own them, you just posses a licence that allows you the benefit of using the software that is owned by someone else. Basically all you are doing is hiring the software. You own NOTHING. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 3:16 pm Posted by JM (142 messages posted) So if I steal something using Microsoft software they will go after Microsoft because they own the "software." Sure they will. On Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 8:19 am, Dean wrote: >Don't see why. They're your bytes, aren't they? You should be able to do whatever >you want with em ;). > >Actually no they are not, you dont own them, you just posses a licence that allows >you the benefit of using the software that is owned by someone else. > >Basically all you are doing is hiring the software. You own NOTHING. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 6:14 am Posted by R N (20 messages posted) See Answer below. On Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 7:46 pm, Sam Katz wrote: >I am a liberal who believes in copyright rights, You can't be a liberal and believe in that - copyrights are sick and amoral and should be ousted from the law [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 1:08 am Posted by Shane (1 messages posted) The way I understand it, cracks are only legal, if (a) you own the particular system you are cracking, and (b) if it is obsolete. Basically, you can't just download a crack, because you don't own the system it was written on and for, nor can you crack a system that is still supported. On Saturday, August 2, 2003 at 5:24 pm, Marko B. wrote: >Don't see why. They're your bytes, aren't they? You should be able to do whatever >you want with em ;). > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 12:44 am Posted by Kyle (1 messages posted) Has anyone ever read the end user license agreement that most programs require a user to at least scroll through before they can install the program? Does anyone remember clicking the "disagree" button? Cracks cannot be legal if you don't own the software! Find an installer for any marketed commercial program and read it carefully. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Saturday, November 6, 2004 at 2:22 am Posted by z (8 messages posted) i have a good response to this old subject, in light of the .NET operating systems being released by M$... On Sunday, November 25, 2001 at 11:06 am, UnDEAD wrote: >I think they are illegal because they're made by reverse engineering the product >(... but how do they prove this?), and because you're not allowed to modify the program >in it's binary form... well... in the privacy of your system you are really allowed to do anything you want, providing it STAYS private. publicly released software is intended for the public. your private alteraton of the software is yours and yours alone. the only way to get your change added to any publicly released software is to submit the idea to the creator, in the case of M$, it is a lost cause. > >*what the hell... you can't even debug an operating system you bought?* Well, you >can... But you're not allowed to spread information, tools, utilities, papers on >what you've learned... sad but true. good thing NT is reaching the end of it's lifecycle. eventually M$ will drop NT like it did DOS and not really care what people do to it as it will be most likely incompatible with the new hardware coming out in the next few years. it will become relegated to the hobbyists like me and perhaps you and M$ will care none as they will no longer make $$ on long obsolete software ( OS2 anyone?) > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Why are cracks illegal? Friday, June 24, 2005 at 7:59 am Posted by George Bush (1 messages posted) The DMCA only applies within the tiny borders of the good old USA. Outside the USA, the DMCA is toothless! It's only Americans who are powerless to do what they want. Everyone else is OK. On Wednesday, August 7, 2002 at 8:41 am, Rob wrote: >the DMCA makes illegal any method or tool used to circumvent a COPYRIGHT PROTECTION >scheme. it says nothing about encryption. [Reply or follow-up to this message] Illegal only in the USA, Monday, April 17, 2006 at 7:16 pm Posted by John Clark MsTCS (1 messages posted) Cracks and bypasses are only illegal in the USA (and certain other countries) According to the District Court rulings of the past, and the ABSOLUTE (meaning that the USA can't do anything about it) rulings of the World Court, if a hack, crack, or bypass is purchased, or received in a country where it is legal, or downloaded from a country where it is legal, then it is legal to use and operate that software. Sorry, microshaft, you just can't win in the free world, just in the US. ;) John Masters in Theoretical Science in Trans-Warp and String Propulsion On Friday, December 21, 2001 at 8:31 am, khawk wrote: > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows Me Discussion Forum