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Why am I always low on system resources?
Tuesday, September 3, 2002 at 4:42 pm
Posted by John
(9 messages posted)
On my computer (which is a compaq) I have a Pentium 3 processor (1.0 GHz). My total
physical memory is 382.51 MB (which was added on before we took it home, it was at
128 MB) and available physical memory of 79.45 MB. Also my hard drive (C) is 33.2GB
total, and only 18.5 GB used up. Does that have to do with my system resources,
or what?
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re: Why am I always low on system resources?
Tuesday, September 3, 2002 at 5:09 pm
Posted by davexnet
(15 messages posted)
Hello, no, "resources" in the Win 9x (includes ME)
is an architectural limit within the design of windows
itself, and nothing to do with your RAM.
Windows NT, 2000 or XP do not have this limit.
Here's the full blurb:
http://www.onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#resources
Dave
On Tuesday, September 3, 2002 at 4:42 pm, J wrote:
>On my computer (which is a compaq) I have a Pentium 3 processor (1.0 GHz). My total
>physical memory is 382.51 MB (which was added on before we took it home, it was
at
>128 MB) and available physical memory of 79.45 MB. Also my hard drive (C) is 33.2GB
>total, and only 18.5 GB used up. Does that have to do with my system resources,
>or what?
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re: Improving System Resources.
Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 2:47 am
Posted by Mac
(2831 messages posted)
There are a few modifications which you can try: The first is to use RAMpage 1.6
This program is NOT a so-called "rambooster" as ALL it does is to clear any RAM which
is not actually being used by any running program.
The next is a registry modification which you can use at your own risk. Be sure to
put a system restore point or better still (as I NEVER USE system restore) just run
SCANREGW.EXE to give you a C:\>scanreg /restore , restore point.
Here is an extract from a letter on this very subject:
I am now using RAM-Page which has helped prevent lock-ups simply by freeing a bit
of RAM which is not being used by any of the RUNNING programs.
The registry modification (below) HAS improved the system resources immensely as
my start-up reads 91% free and sometimes a little more and I have everything (33
processes) running in msconfig, etc.
Another BIG saving has come from disabling System Restore which prevents automatic
restore points from sapping system resources when there are a lot of programs running.
I find that it is having programs like system restore starting to use system resources
WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE i.e. starting up on ther own and running in the background
that IS causing nearly ALL of the problems with ME-XP.
This makes sense from an ... engineering ... point of view too, as does unloading
dll's which are NOT ... actually ... in use.
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Here is a very clever modification to the system _RESTORE file which I found somewhere
on the Forum:
If you go to control panel and system, performance, file system,
troubleshooting tab, as just put a check-mark in the box "Disable system
restore" and then re-boot your computer, you will HEAR the files coming off.
I no longer use System Restore as it causes performance problems and instead
I use a Windows Start-Up diskette (bootdisk) made in the Control Panel,
Add-Remove programs, as it is NOT possible to run most DOS commands from the
DOS window.
You really need to boot-up on the bootdisk and delete _RESTORE from the main
DOS prompt (C:\>) with this command:
C:\>DEL C:\_RESTORE
If I want to restore I use: C:\>scanreg /restore.
Another way to get rid of System Restore while preserving Windows Help:
Turn off System Restore while in WinME.
Reboot to MS-DOS with the Windows Start-Up diskette (bootdisk).
Then run:
C:\>DEL C:\_Restore
to delete the System Restore folder. Then run:
C:\>EDIT C:\_Restore
... to create a 0 byte file named _RESTORE. Then run:
C:\>ATTRIB +R +S C:\_RESTORE
... to make the file, read-only and system.
This way Windows cannot write to the _RESTORE file and it
should now STAY at zero bytes and can still be recognised by
the System without Windows rebuilding it!
§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§
Improving System Resources in '95, '98, ME, 2000, XP.
Windows Explorer has a bad habit of keeping ALL of the DLL's in use in
memory.
For Windows '95, '98, Millennium Edition, 2000 & XP you can encourage the
operating system to unload them when they are no longer in use.
Open Regedit then go to:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
Right-click in the right-hand window and create a new "value DWORD" with the
name of: AlwaysUnloadDll , and give it the value of: 1.
Iain
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re: Improving System Resources.
Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 9:59 am
Posted by Rich Trotto
(175 messages posted)
What is meant by "get rid of System Restore while preserving Windows Help"? Do you
lose Help if you get rid of System Restore? How come just disabling Windows Restore
isn't enough?
Thanks
On Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 2:47 am, Iain wrote:
>There are a few modifications which you can try: The first is to use RAMpage 1.6
>
>This program is NOT a so-called "rambooster" as ALL it does is to clear any RAM
which
>is not actually being used by any running program.
>
>The next is a registry modification which you can use at your own risk. Be sure
to
>put a system restore point or better still (as I NEVER USE system restore) just
run
>SCANREGW.EXE to give you a C:\>scanreg /restore , restore point.
>
>Here is an extract from a letter on this very subject:
>
>I am now using RAM-Page which has helped prevent lock-ups simply by freeing a bit
>of RAM which is not being used by any of the RUNNING programs.
>
>The registry modification (below) HAS improved the system resources immensely as
>my start-up reads 91% free and sometimes a little more and I have everything (33
>processes) running in msconfig, etc.
>
>Another BIG saving has come from disabling System Restore which prevents automatic
>restore points from sapping system resources when there are a lot of programs running.
>
>I find that it is having programs like system restore starting to use system resources
>WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE i.e. starting up on ther own and running in the background
>that IS causing nearly ALL of the problems with ME-XP.
>
>This makes sense from an ... engineering ... point of view too, as does unloading
>dll's which are NOT ... actually ... in use.
>
>§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§
>
>Here is a very clever modification to the system _RESTORE file which I found somewhere
>on the Forum:
>
>If you go to control panel and system, performance, file system,
>troubleshooting tab, as just put a check-mark in the box "Disable system
>restore" and then re-boot your computer, you will HEAR the files coming off.
>
>I no longer use System Restore as it causes performance problems and instead
>I use a Windows Start-Up diskette (bootdisk) made in the Control Panel,
>Add-Remove programs, as it is NOT possible to run most DOS commands from the
>DOS window.
>
>You really need to boot-up on the bootdisk and delete _RESTORE from the main
>DOS prompt (C:\>) with this command:
>
>C:\>DEL C:\_RESTORE
>
>If I want to restore I use: C:\>scanreg /restore.
>
>Another way to get rid of System Restore while preserving Windows Help:
>
>Turn off System Restore while in WinME.
>Reboot to MS-DOS with the Windows Start-Up diskette (bootdisk).
>
>Then run:
>
>C:\>DEL C:\_Restore
>
>to delete the System Restore folder. Then run:
>
>C:\>EDIT C:\_Restore
>
>... to create a 0 byte file named _RESTORE. Then run:
>
>C:\>ATTRIB +R +S C:\_RESTORE
>
>... to make the file, read-only and system.
>
>This way Windows cannot write to the _RESTORE file and it
>should now STAY at zero bytes and can still be recognised by
>the System without Windows rebuilding it!
>
>§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§
>
>Improving System Resources in '95, '98, ME, 2000, XP.
>
>Windows Explorer has a bad habit of keeping ALL of the DLL's in use in
>memory.
>
>For Windows '95, '98, Millennium Edition, 2000 & XP you can encourage the
>operating system to unload them when they are no longer in use.
>
>Open Regedit then go to:
>[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
>
>Right-click in the right-hand window and create a new "value DWORD" with the
>name of: AlwaysUnloadDll , and give it the value of: 1.
>
>
Iain
>
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re: Improving System Resources.
Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 11:43 am
Posted by Mac
(2831 messages posted)
There are some programs which remove System Restore from your system along with PC
Health but this can stop the Windows download from working. The method outlined only
prevents System Restore from writing to the _RESTORE file whilst leaving the actual
restore program which you will find in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE folder intact.
Iain
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re: Improving System Resources.
Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 1:07 pm
Posted by bobruss
(1 messages posted)
Thanks very much, Iain. The info here is just what I've been looking for.
Bob
On Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 11:43 am, Iain wrote:
>There are some programs which remove System Restore from your system along with
PC
>Health but this can stop the Windows download from working. The method outlined
only
>prevents System Restore from writing to the _RESTORE file whilst leaving the actual
>restore program which you will find in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE folder intact.
>
Iain
>
>
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re: Improving System Resources.
Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Mac
(2831 messages posted)
Thank you Bob. Remember that these modifications work even better if you have a good
amount of RAM and ME works better with 256Mb to 512Mb and an extra 256Mb is about
US$55 and you can get 128Mb for as little as US$14.
Iain
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re: Why am I always low on system resources?
Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 8:16 pm
Posted by John S. Boesen
(308 messages posted)
Windows System Resources has little to do with hardware RAM or even hard drive space.
Windows resources refers to a very SMALL amount of cache called the "System Arena".
Bottom line is that you are running to many TSR's, and when you try to start a program
you are actually USING the "Potential TSR's" have hogged up all the space. Search
this Forum for keyword "MSCONFIG" Windows utility that allows you to disable all
TSR's that start when Windows starts. Personally, I just Edit the Registry to eliminate
useless TSR's, but even Microsofts Highest Level Tech Suipport Engineers wont go
there
On Tuesday, September 3, 2002 at 4:42 pm, J wrote:
>On my computer (which is a compaq) I have a Pentium 3 processor (1.0 GHz). My total
>physical memory is 382.51 MB (which was added on before we took it home, it was
at
>128 MB) and available physical memory of 79.45 MB. Also my hard drive (C) is 33.2GB
>total, and only 18.5 GB used up. Does that have to do with my system resources,
>or what?
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re: Improving System Resources.
Thursday, September 5, 2002 at 6:06 am
Posted by Rich Trotto
(175 messages posted)
Thanks
On Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 11:43 am, Iain wrote:
>There are some programs which remove System Restore from your system along with
PC
>Health but this can stop the Windows download from working. The method outlined
only
>prevents System Restore from writing to the _RESTORE file whilst leaving the actual
>restore program which you will find in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RESTORE folder intact.
>
Iain
>
>
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