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re: Dual Boot anyone ? Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 10:51 pm Posted by Cam (4178 messages posted) XP INFO  XP CLEANUP Someone recently installed Vista on partition (2) of his XP machine and is up and running OK. Mac TIME IS DIVISIBLE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH ('NEW' RELATIVITY) [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Dual Boot anyone ? Monday, September 26, 2005 at 4:28 am Posted by Wendy Krieger (1 messages posted) The Vista bootmanager is different to previous versions of NT, and older NT versions appear in the legacy menu. Both the legacy menu and the main menu appear in boot.ini. To move a Windows to the main menu, you need to add the switch /USENEWLOADER, and copy the file winload.exe from the vista\system32 to the otherwin\system32 directory. Windows NT 4.00.1386 sp 6a and Windows NT 5.00.2195 sp4 (2k), boots from only the legacy menu. The above trick does not work with these systems. Windows NT 5.10.2600 SP2 (XP), and i presume Windows NT 5.20.3790 svr boot from both the main and legacy menus (without modification), as long as you do the trick above. Windows NT 6.00.5112 beta1 boots from only the main menu. The legacy menu does not work for it. Anything that boots from a bootsector (eg Linux, OS/2, DOS, Windows 9x), will boot from either menu. W [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Dual Boot anyone ? Sunday, October 2, 2005 at 5:21 am Posted by Dave C (1 messages posted) Interesting, but can you tell me how to get around this one?... I run XP from a sata raid 0 array, and since i didn't want to wreck, or risk wrecking that, i created a partition on the primary ide channel, master drive, and made it as a primary partition... and installed Vista on it, booting off the dvd. The problem is, that when I instruct my bios to boot from that ide drive, with sata enabled, it wont do it.. gets some error .. sorry i don't recall exactly what it is now, but i went back to XP and had a look at the boot.ini, and to my surprise, the boot.ini on the raid array (XP) is identical, except for the name of the entry, to the boot.ini on the ide drive.. just where they were pointing to i mean... i copied it into XP's boot.ini to be sure... here it is.. multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows Longhorn" /NOEXECUTE=OPTIN /FASTDETECT /USENEWLOADER /DETECTHAL So, if sata is enabled, and set to boot first, it is seen as multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1), but set the primary ide to boot first an it is seen as that also... or so it seems... puzzling indeed. any idea's? I did get Vista to successfully boot, by leaving the dvd in the drive an having it set to boot primary, just didn't hit a key... it seems it takes over the boot loader, as if it were continuing from setup an points it in the right direction, but the only other way to get it to boot without the dvd that i found, was to disable sata entirely, and have it boot primary ide first. Would be nice if i could have them both in the boot.ini / boot loader for XP, on sata raid tho :\ On Monday, September 26, 2005 at 4:28 am, Wendy Krieger wrote: >The Vista bootmanager is different to previous versions of NT, and older NT versions >appear in the legacy menu. Both the legacy menu and the main menu appear in boot.ini. > > To move a Windows to the main menu, you need to add the switch /USENEWLOADER, >and copy the file winload.exe from the vista\system32 to the otherwin\system32 directory. > > Windows NT 4.00.1386 sp 6a and Windows NT 5.00.2195 sp4 (2k), boots from only >the legacy menu. The above trick does not work with these systems. > > Windows NT 5.10.2600 SP2 (XP), and i presume Windows NT 5.20.3790 svr boot from >both the main and legacy menus (without modification), as long as you do the trick >above. > > Windows NT 6.00.5112 beta1 boots from only the main menu. The legacy menu does >not work for it. > >Anything that boots from a bootsector (eg Linux, OS/2, DOS, Windows 9x), will boot >from either menu. > >W [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Dual Boot anyone ? Monday, October 17, 2005 at 4:30 pm Posted by Andrey _Sebastian (5 messages posted) To switch from the main boot menu to the legacy boot menu , I have to choose my ex Windows 98 line for boot and setup vista has changed my line for Windows 98 to "Unidentified OS" . How can I load Windows 98 again ? On Monday, September 26, 2005 at 4:28 am, Wendy Krieger wrote: >The Vista bootmanager is different to previous versions of NT, and older NT versions >appear in the legacy menu. Both the legacy menu and the main menu appear in boot.ini. > > To move a Windows to the main menu, you need to add the switch /USENEWLOADER, >and copy the file winload.exe from the vista\system32 to the otherwin\system32 directory. > > Windows NT 4.00.1386 sp 6a and Windows NT 5.00.2195 sp4 (2k), boots from only >the legacy menu. The above trick does not work with these systems. > > Windows NT 5.10.2600 SP2 (XP), and i presume Windows NT 5.20.3790 svr boot from >both the main and legacy menus (without modification), as long as you do the trick >above. > > Windows NT 6.00.5112 beta1 boots from only the main menu. The legacy menu does >not work for it. > >Anything that boots from a bootsector (eg Linux, OS/2, DOS, Windows 9x), will boot >from either menu. > >W [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Dual Boot anyone ? Tuesday, October 18, 2005 at 9:00 pm Posted by Wendy Krieger (1 messages posted) The legacy menu and the /USENEWLOADER switch affects only the NT based systems, ie NT, 2K, XP, 2K3. Both the new and legacy menus will boot WIN9x and MS-DOS (and Linux). Using the /USENEWLOADER puts the system into some kind of debug mode, using some DLL files that were added at XP. The loader looks for %systemroot%\system32\winload.exe to do this. Windows NT and 2K do not support this switch, and thus must be booted from the legacy menu. Windows LH must be booted from here. Anything that is loaded by a boot-sector file, such as MS-DOS, Win9x, etc, should not use the /usenewloader switch, since it is not to winload.exe to initialise these systems. Usually this is IO.SYS. W [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Dual Boot anyone ? Thursday, December 15, 2005 at 3:11 am Posted by Eric Stewart (1 messages posted) Dave: I hope you're following this thread still, because I have a solution for you ... On my ABIT board, I ran into this very issue with XP and XP 64bit. XP32 is on my SATA RAID, and XP64 is on the IDE drive. And I noted the near identical boot.ini's on either drive, and with my XP64 CD in the drive, XP64 on the IDE drive eventually boots ... Here's the trick: digging around with XP32 booted, I noted that somewhere in the properties, the SATA RAID actually shows up as "drive 1", and the IDE drive shows up as "drive 0". So as much as you might not want to hear this: Set your BIOS to boot to your IDE drive first. Add the info for your SATA OS (since I have XP64 seeing the RAID, I could copy the line from the SATA's boot.ini and put it in the IDE's boot.ini), but change the "rdisk" value to 1 for the SATA based OS. Note that I'm about 99% certain that if you used this boot.ini with the BIOS set for the SATA RAID to boot, it won't work! Somewhere along the line there's some translating and switching going on; I'm guessing that, with the SATA RAID set to boot, during most of the boot up (I'm guessing) the SATA RAID is thought to be rdisk 0. But once it's booted, it probably becomes rdisk 1. (However, I'd be curious to see if anyone has had a SATA RAID and an IDE drive both in the machine during the install of an OS to the SATA RAID - I think in both my case and Dave's case, we added the IDE drive later - I'd do it if it weren't for the fact that both my OS's are currently running and I don't want to muck with them). I went one step further and changed the default to boot to XP32 (off of the SATA RAID). So if I power on the machine and wander off, even though the XP64 drive is doing the boot loading, XP32 will boot. One final note: on my XP32 OS, I tend to hibernate it at the end of the day. Note that when I do this, I don't get a boot menu when I power on the machine - the XP32 OS resumes. While this may not make 100% sense, I actually prefer this behavior. And, just in case anyone who reads this is curious: I haven't gotten too far in XP64; I do note some key missing drivers: - The USB - Serial port I have for my dive computer - The USB drivers for my Sony camera - And I have an old USB web cam that I doubt has drivers Someday, should Sony update the drivers for my camera, I might reverse (oy, would that be a PITA though) the setup and have XP64 on the SATA RAID. On Sunday, October 2, 2005 at 5:21 am, Dave C wrote: >Interesting, but can you tell me how to get around this one?... > >I run XP from a sata raid 0 array, and since i didn't want to wreck, or risk wrecking >that, i created a partition on the primary ide channel, master drive, and made it >as a primary partition... and installed Vista on it, booting off the dvd. > >The problem is, that when I instruct my bios to boot from that ide drive, with sata >enabled, it wont do it.. >gets some error .. sorry i don't recall exactly what it is now, but i went back to >XP and had a look at the boot.ini, and to my surprise, the boot.ini on the raid array >(XP) is identical, except for the name of the entry, to the boot.ini on the ide drive.. > >just where they were pointing to i mean... i copied it into XP's boot.ini to be sure... >here it is.. > >multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin >/fastdetect >multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows Longhorn" /NOEXECUTE=OPTIN >/FASTDETECT /USENEWLOADER /DETECTHAL > >So, if sata is enabled, and set to boot first, it is seen as multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1), >but set the primary ide to boot first an it is seen as that also... > >or so it seems... puzzling indeed. any idea's? > >I did get Vista to successfully boot, by leaving the dvd in the drive an having it >set to boot primary, just didn't hit a key... it seems it takes over the boot loader, >as if it were continuing from setup an points it in the right direction, but the >only other way to get it to boot without the dvd that i found, was to disable sata >entirely, and have it boot primary ide first. > >Would be nice if i could have them both in the boot.ini / boot loader for XP, on >sata raid tho :\ [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: Dual Boot anyone ? Wednesday, July 16, 2008 at 10:58 am Posted by coldstone (3 messages posted) ok so i dont have exactly these problems but verry close lol. so here goes i recently moved form a 80gb sata harddrive to a 250gb sata harddrive everything went smoothly (install xp, transfer files, set setttings, etc.) well that where the smooth ride ended i formatted the old 80 gb harddrive for use with vista and proceeded to install vista it all seemed to go fine until... yup major frigging roadblock i went to reboot into my xp install to get a few files for vista since my vista wireless isnt set up yet and it wont let me boot xp. so i unplugged the 80 gb harddrive containing vista and tried again. no sych luck just told me that the bios defaults were loaded due to an invalid checksum/"UPDATE" and those are almost the exact words and im sure you notice what word leads in the direction im going well after loading past the text it just started flickering my screen and not booting into xp so im here with a copy of vista i really dont want to use other than for testing vistas capabilities on my system and its not even activated and i cant even get my graphics or wireless drivers without xp so any help would be hot thx in advance Coldstone - The one and only [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows Vista Discussion Forum