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re: networking Friday, July 6, 2007 at 7:23 am Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE (6749 messages posted) Disabling third party firewalls doesn't always absolutely positively guarantee that they are not affecting the situation. The XP and Vista firewall are integral to the OS so they automatically set themselves when you turn on or turn off file and/or printer sharing. Some AV programs have a rudimentary firewall. It helps to install the XP Network Responder: http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/409fb2fa-8eb8-45af-b063-4f50f5a77b291033.mspx?mfr=true [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: networking Friday, July 6, 2007 at 9:08 am Posted by David Lombard (1 messages posted) I'm posting here the 5 major steps I went through to get my Vista-WinXP network running seamlessly. If you are having problems with yours, perhaps one or more of the below 5 steps will do the trick. Step 5 was the most obscure - changing a registry setting in one of my WinXP machines so that my Vista pc could see its shared folders. Windows Networking – Vista and WinXP Ok. First take a deep breath and gather your patience. I wrote-up the below thread after my recent experience in networking a new Vista laptop with two existing WinXP machines. It wasn't quick but it did work, eventually. Try some of these steps: 1) Firewall settings - one of the biggest hassles. To get started I suggest you FIRST disconnect your network from the internet (for your protection), then disable ALL firewalls (including Windows firewall) on ALL machines, and then work to get your home network operating internally. What I learned on my home network is below. 1.1) My WinXP machines have ZoneAlarm and I needed to ensure that all machines on the network were in the trusted zone. Go to the Zone tab of Firewall settings in ZoneAlarm free version. Ensure all of your machines’ IP addresses are listed, as well as that of your router or wireless access point. 1.2) My Vista laptop came loaded with Norton Internet Security. Go to Norton Internet Security tab, open settings, scroll to bottom, open internet security and firewall options, open advanced settings, open configure, change default inbound NetBIOS, inbound NetBIOS name, and Block Windows File Sharing to ALLOW. Configuring this beast of an app required a lot of trial, error and googling the Symantec site and others. 2) Ensure sharing is enabled on all machines. It is quite different for Vista vs WinXP. The procedure is fairly straightforward and is well documented on the MS site and elsewhere. In Network and Sharing Center it is critical on Vista machine that you have your network configured as Private and that the Sharing and Discovery Settings are set to ON except for Password Protected Sharing. Link for Vista: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx Link for WinXP: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=FD7FD48D-6B4A-448E-A632-076F98A351A2&displaylang=en 3) Workgroup name. Ensure you are using the same workgroup name on all machines. WinXP and Vista machines have different default workgroup names. WinXP: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_network_changename.mspx?mfr=true Vista: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/5723d061-b884-40da-b5e7-94a55f6fcead1033.mspx and http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/baab4f1a-2461-482d-bb2e-c996a197e35f1033.mspx 4) Download and install Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) onto the WinXP machines. Just a nicety, this enables the network map in Vista to show all machines on the network. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&DisplayLang=en 5) And the final step: check the registry on your WinXP machine per MS article 913628 that I found by searching MS for "error message when you try to access a Windows XP-based network computer: "You might not have permission to use this network resource". See the article at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913628. This finally did the trick for my network. Keep pounding away at it. It will eventually be worth it. It took me almost a week to get everything working right. Best of luck to you … On Friday, July 6, 2007 at 7:23 am, Dan Sarandrea, MCSE wrote: >Disabling third party firewalls doesn't always absolutely positively guarantee that >they are not affecting the situation. > >The XP and Vista firewall are integral to the OS so they automatically set themselves >when you turn on or turn off file and/or printer sharing. > >Some AV programs have a rudimentary firewall. > >It helps to install the XP Network Responder: >http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/409fb2fa-8eb8-45af-b063-4f50f5a77b291033.mspx?mfr=true [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: networking Friday, July 6, 2007 at 9:41 am Posted by Steve (4 messages posted) Thanks so much for the information, I will try all today [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: networking Monday, July 9, 2007 at 9:58 am Posted by Anonymouse (412 messages posted) Cheers, dude! I'd gone through the whole business of setting the same workgroup on my PC (running 2000) and my laptop (running Vista Home Premium), and at one point the PC could see a shared folder on the laptop. But I couldn't access it; permission denied. It never occurred to me that Norton was getting in the way; as far as I can tell the only thing that made any difference was altering Norton's settings! Oddly, I still can't get my XP laptop and the Vista laptop to see each other, nor can the Vista laptop see the PC...although the PC can see both, and I can copy/move files in either direction. Not to worry; at least now I can trade files between all 3 computers without using physical media...even if not directly. :) This furthers my conviction, though, that when it comes to networking, 2000 was and is better than XP or Vista. Something seems to have gone wrong somewhere. On Friday, July 6, 2007 at 9:08 am, David Lombard wrote: >I'm posting here the 5 major steps I went through to get my Vista-WinXP network running >seamlessly. If you are having problems with yours, perhaps one or more of the below >5 steps will do the trick. Step 5 was the most obscure - changing a registry setting >in one of my WinXP machines so that my Vista pc could see its shared folders. > >Windows Networking – Vista and WinXP > >Ok. First take a deep breath and gather your patience. I wrote-up the below thread >after my recent experience in networking a new Vista laptop with two existing WinXP >machines. It wasn't quick but it did work, eventually. Try some of these steps: > >1) Firewall settings - one of the biggest hassles. To get started I suggest you FIRST >disconnect your network from the internet (for your protection), then disable ALL >firewalls (including Windows firewall) on ALL machines, and then work to get your >home network operating internally. What I learned on my home network is below. >1.1) My WinXP machines have ZoneAlarm and I needed to ensure that all machines >on the network were in the trusted zone. Go to the Zone tab of Firewall settings >in ZoneAlarm free version. Ensure all of your machines’ IP addresses are listed, >as well as that of your router or wireless access point. >1.2) My Vista laptop came loaded with Norton Internet Security. Go to Norton Internet >Security tab, open settings, scroll to bottom, open internet security and firewall >options, open advanced settings, open configure, change default inbound NetBIOS, >inbound NetBIOS name, and Block Windows File Sharing to ALLOW. Configuring this beast >of an app required a lot of trial, error and googling the Symantec site and others. > >2) Ensure sharing is enabled on all machines. It is quite different for Vista vs >WinXP. The procedure is fairly straightforward and is well documented on the MS site >and elsewhere. In Network and Sharing Center it is critical on Vista machine that >you have your network configured as Private and that the Sharing and Discovery Settings >are set to ON except for Password Protected Sharing. > >Link for Vista: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx > >Link for WinXP: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=FD7FD48D-6B4A-448E-A632-076F98A351A2&displaylang=en > >3) Workgroup name. Ensure you are using the same workgroup name on all machines. >WinXP and Vista machines have different default workgroup names. > >WinXP: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_network_changename.mspx?mfr=true > >Vista: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/5723d061-b884-40da-b5e7-94a55f6fcead1033.mspx > >and > >http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/baab4f1a-2461-482d-bb2e-c996a197e35f1033.mspx > >4) Download and install Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) onto the WinXP machines. >Just a nicety, this enables the network map in Vista to show all machines on the >network. > >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&DisplayLang=en > >5) And the final step: check the registry on your WinXP machine per MS article 913628 >that I found by searching MS for "error message when you try to access a Windows >XP-based network computer: "You might not have permission to use this network resource". >See the article at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913628. This finally did the >trick for my network. > >Keep pounding away at it. It will eventually be worth it. It took me almost a week >to get everything working right. > >Best of luck to you … > > [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows Vista Discussion Forum