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re: Zatoichi Update: The Solution To My Problems...Maybe?
Monday, March 8, 2004 at 4:22 am
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Posted by Ronald (2 messages posted)


OK, so far the issue seems to crop up with both windows 2000 and XP. It seems mostly related to large hard drives, even though some have it only with 120GB or higher, others report it as well with 40 and 60 GB. Things that help some people: -applying windows xp patch -not applying all OS patches at the same time -switching to fat32 -switching to non-acpi system ("It is now safe to turn of..") -switching from UDMA to PIO mode Except the first one, all of these are workarounds that impair functionality some way or another. According to this thread, it seems there is some major issue with timings in the OS, involving write caches to the disk on shutdown. This grows bigger with both larger memory and larger and faster hard drives. (makes sense somehow, the bigger the memory, the bigger the chance something doesn't get flushed properly from it) The problem does not seem related to hardware failure, nor to one single OS. I've seen MS knowledge base articles relating this issue back to the good ol' days of NT 4, so it's certainly a longstanding issue that seems to return from time to time. This could mean two things: 1-fundamentally flawed file system 2-continuously flawed implementation I have a similar issue as many others here, my FS was OK until chkdsk decided to screw up about 3000 files which were OK before..mostly jpegs but some movies as well. I also ran virusscans, spyware scans, checkdisks, etc etc. This problem is just too weird. I'm in the process of reinstalling w2k. Understanding from this thread it's not usefull to upgrade to XP. My planning: -revert to previous mobo bios version -test memory extensively with memtest86 -recertify hard drive with factory software -thoroughly clean hard drive for any existing formatting, beofre formatting new -set harddisk to UDMA 5 instead of 6 in the bios -install w2k with sp4 integrated (works flawlessly with previous installs) -disable write caching in the OS for the harddisk -NOT install IE 6 including ie6sp1 -install Directx 9.0b without the TV-card patch -NOT install the latest 5 OS patches (I work with mozilla firefox behind a firewall anyway, so there criticality is less) -use a little tool called 'sync' that's ported from the Unix world to win32. It flushes disk writes to the disk. There is a similar tool from wininternals that flushes the page file. These can both be used in winNT to run automatically during shutdown by using a shutdown script. -not use chkdsk to run manual disk checks, instead I will rely on third-party software. BTW:I tried the getdataback software, but it failed miserably. The jpeg's seem to have all lost their jpeg headers in the process, and I can find no way whatsoever to restore them. There is a similar tool called CIA unerase, if someone wants to try.


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Zatoichi Update: The Solution To My Problems...Maybe? (Zatoichi: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 6:54 pm)

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