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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 12:22 am
Posted by MGDodge
(1 messages posted)
Copied and pasted this from support.microsoft.com, I think it might have reference
to your problem:
"If the network cabling is twisted-pair (RJ-45), you must use a hub or concentrator.
Windows 98 does not support direct connections of RJ-45 cable between computers."
URL is http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q192534
text is found in step 8 of this guide.
On Friday, May 3, 2002 at 11:56 am, TonyL wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>to a Windows XP or 2000 system with a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:
>
>I want to share my cable modem between my two computers. One is running winxp,
and
>another is running win98. I am planning on using the winxp computer as the gateway
>and connect to the win98 computer through a crossover ethernet cable. So far, I
>got no luck of setting up the internet sharing part. On the winxp computer, I
got
>two connections: one is the local network, another one is the internet connection.
>
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Monday, May 20, 2002 at 6:31 pm
Posted by Em
(3 messages posted)
I've been using crossover for a couple of years with RJ-45, with Win98. Using Cat-5
cable, cross
the orange wire with the orange and white, also cross the green with the green and
white.
I bought wall plates at Home Depot with RJ-45 wall plugs and a little blue tool for
connecting the cat5 cable.
I crossed the wires behind the wall and used a regular patch cable. I wished I had
used regular
wall connection w/crossover patch cable. Because now I have 3 computers and need
a hub instead.
On Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 12:22 am, MGDodge wrote:
>Copied and pasted this from support.microsoft.com, I think it might have reference
>to your problem:
>
>"If the network cabling is twisted-pair (RJ-45), you must use a hub or concentrator.
>Windows 98 does not support direct connections of RJ-45 cable between computers."
>
>URL is http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q192534
>text is found in step 8 of this guide.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 12:54 pm
Posted by ben
(1 messages posted)
On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 6:31 pm, Em wrote:
>I've been using crossover for a couple of years with RJ-45, with Win98. Using Cat-5
>cable, cross
>the orange wire with the orange and white, also cross the green with the green and
>white.
>I bought wall plates at Home Depot with RJ-45 wall plugs and a little blue tool
for
>connecting the cat5 cable.
>I crossed the wires behind the wall and used a regular patch cable. I wished I had
>used regular
>wall connection w/crossover patch cable. Because now I have 3 computers and need
>a hub instead.
>
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Thursday, December 5, 2002 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Win98SE User
(1 messages posted)
To Em or anyone that got Win98 to network w/ crossover cable:
Since you have a working networked Win98 PC w/ a crossover cable, might you know
why mine doesn't work?
As MGDodge pointed out, "Windows 98 does not support direct connections of RJ-45
cable between computers." I didn't know this. If it's true, it wasn't stated on
the box of my Belkin crossover cable.
I've tried to get it to work. Both computers have same protocols. Adapters running
OK according to System Properties. The respective computers on their respective
Network Neighborhoods. I've made sure IP address are unique & subnet is same numerous
times.
Strange thing is when both PCs are on and connected, both PCs (Win98 & Win95) detect
a link (Link ON). But when I try pinging each other, the pinging fails. I also
tried "netdiag" (or "net diag", whichever it is) and tried setting up a diagnostic
server on either, then switched, and using NetBeui and IPX but both PCs never detect
the server.
So do you think I missed something or did something wrong or my cable doesn't work?
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Wednesday, January 8, 2003 at 1:25 pm
Posted by nick clark
(2 messages posted)
I am experiencing similar problems to those reported by you. did you ever find a
solution? .. I've tried numerous options and combinations of set up options for both
PC's, with varying degrees of success.. but never enough to actually be able to transfer
files. It's driving me bananas!
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Thursday, January 9, 2003 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Steve
(1 messages posted)
I've had a ridiculous amount of trouble networking my two XP PCs. The desktop has
Pro, and the laptop has Home. I've just now gotten the desktop to be able to access
the laptop, but not vice versa. *shrugs* I'll keep plugging away.
Besides setting the IP addresses to be on the same subnet and giving them the same
subnet mask, what finally did the trick (thus far) was disabling the QoS packet thing
on both computers. I'd give that a try, if I were you. Now, if only I could get
the laptop to see....
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Thursday, January 9, 2003 at 3:45 pm
Posted by nick clark
(2 messages posted)
I've just managed to transfer the files from the old to the new pc. I think trial
and error wins through at the end of the day.. i had also just disabled the QOS thing,
and also enabled IPX/SPX ... not sure what did the trick. not fully 'networked '
yet, but transfering the files was my main priority.
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 6:25 am
Posted by Christiaan
(2 messages posted)
I had a perfectly working LAN with main: Win2K, host: Win98, using cross-over.
Sharing files went great.
Sharing Internet went thorugh a WinProxy.
I now have XP on the main system and the same Win98 on the host.
Bought 2 identical new LAN adapters because XP didn't like my old LAN cards.
I know for sure that I have my settings right for Win98.
I used the Network Wizard on XP.
Local IP's and subnet are correct, Internet Sharing enabled.
Now the strange thing:
XP can see both XP and Win98 computer names.
But XP cannot view the shares.
The Win93 cannot see the network.
Both PC's cannot PING eachother!
It's driving me nuts.
what's the problem here?
P.S. I've read about security, user authorization etc.
But I've seen it work somewhere without the User Accounts addition.
On Friday, May 3, 2002 at 11:56 am, TonyL wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>to a Windows XP or 2000 system with a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:
>
>I want to share my cable modem between my two computers. One is running winxp,
and
>another is running win98. I am planning on using the winxp computer as the gateway
>and connect to the win98 computer through a crossover ethernet cable. So far, I
>got no luck of setting up the internet sharing part. On the winxp computer, I
got
>two connections: one is the local network, another one is the internet connection.
>
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 9:50 am
Posted by Tom
(2 messages posted)
I have had problem pinging between my win98 and winxp laptop using a crossover connector.
I finally get everything working by lowerring the transfer speed to 10mbs. In the
automatic mode, the cards would negotiate to 100mbs but I only see it worked once.
I'm using a cheap d-link dfe-530tx card from Fry's on the win98 pc and I begin
to wonder if it is causing the problem.
You can control the card speed via the adapter card's config or property dialog ->
advanced tab -> link speed/duplex mode setting
Also, I set both of my pc on the same workgroup.
win98 pc ip: 192.168.0.1, mask 255.255.255.0 no dns, no wins, no gateway
winxp pc ip: 192.168.0.2, mask 255.255.255.0 no dns, no wins, gateway 192.168.0.1
Hope this help
TS
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Saturday, March 1, 2003 at 11:17 am
Posted by Arun
(1 messages posted)
To connect XP - 98 and XP - XP PCs both your pcs need to give you admin rights. Also
check that workgroups on the pcs are same (control panel - network - identification).
Right click for folder options on 98 pc and see if it permits you to work on the
file / folder sharing. If not you ar enot the administrator, but a subuser or you
machine is not configured to work on multiuser platforms. COnnect the machines on
crossover personal netw. and boot both machines. They both should indicate that LAN
is operational. Ensure that specific folders on 98 machine and xp machine are permitted
to be shared. If not configure them and reboot. Open my network places on XP machine
and you should see "Shared folder on xxxx (the other computer name)". Though these
steps appear as wasteful and cumbersome they do help ensuring network safety in this
age of nosey hackers. YOu can stil circumvent these blocks. On personal networks
for your own purposes switch off the firewall on XP and when the job is finished
switch it back on atleast on XP machine. We understand that the above modfication
for private net facilitation also leaves you pc vulnerable to outside hackers when
you surf the net. Hope you managed your problem by now.
On Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 6:25 am, Christiaan wrote:
>I had a perfectly working LAN with main: Win2K, host: Win98, using cross-over.
>Sharing files went great.
>Sharing Internet went thorugh a WinProxy.
>I now have XP on the main system and the same Win98 on the host.
>Bought 2 identical new LAN adapters because XP didn't like my old LAN cards.
>I know for sure that I have my settings right for Win98.
>I used the Network Wizard on XP.
>Local IP's and subnet are correct, Internet Sharing enabled.
>
>Now the strange thing:
>
>XP can see both XP and Win98 computer names.
>But XP cannot view the shares.
>The Win93 cannot see the network.
>Both PC's cannot PING eachother!
>
>It's driving me nuts.
>what's the problem here?
>
>P.S. I've read about security, user authorization etc.
>But I've seen it work somewhere without the User Accounts addition.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 8:29 pm
Posted by haili
(1 messages posted)
I have very similar trouble with christiaan,
I used crossover cable between two win98,
sharing the internet through high speed internet(Road Runner) is ok,
Sharing files and printer is ok.
now I try to connect a win 98 (direct connect to internet) with winXP home
But some times internet sharing works, sometimes not
XP can see the computer name of win98, but can not
access it.
win 98 can not see XP in the networkneighborhood,
so can not share printer. Printer is connected to win98
On Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 6:25 am, Christiaan wrote:
>I had a perfectly working LAN with main: Win2K, host: Win98, using cross-over.
>Sharing files went great.
>Sharing Internet went thorugh a WinProxy.
>I now have XP on the main system and the same Win98 on the host.
>Bought 2 identical new LAN adapters because XP didn't like my old LAN cards.
>I know for sure that I have my settings right for Win98.
>I used the Network Wizard on XP.
>Local IP's and subnet are correct, Internet Sharing enabled.
>
>Now the strange thing:
>
>XP can see both XP and Win98 computer names.
>But XP cannot view the shares.
>The Win93 cannot see the network.
>Both PC's cannot PING eachother!
>
>It's driving me nuts.
>what's the problem here?
>
>P.S. I've read about security, user authorization etc.
>But I've seen it work somewhere without the User Accounts addition.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Saturday, March 8, 2003 at 6:34 am
Posted by Christiaan
(1 messages posted)
Typical how MS says this.
My problem was fixed, but not by a hub.
It turned out to be incompatible LAN-card. Didn't work in Win98.
Re-inserted my old 3Com and viola!
XP and Win98 are very good able to communicate with a cross-over.
My great question rises from these threads:
--> Why are there so many different answers and solutions, while they conflict eachother.
It seems that many things work for some cases, but sometimes it doesn't. Strange.
I didn't have to use any LAN setup diskette for my Win98. It just worked super.
Define ISP on LAN-card 1
Define local range on LAN-card 2
Enable Internet sharing on the main PC
There we go!
:)
On Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 12:22 am, MGDodge wrote:
>Copied and pasted this from support.microsoft.com, I think it might have reference
>to your problem:
>
>"If the network cabling is twisted-pair (RJ-45), you must use a hub or concentrator.
>Windows 98 does not support direct connections of RJ-45 cable between computers."
>
>URL is http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q192534
>text is found in step 8 of this guide.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 12:48 am
Posted by Ren
(1 messages posted)
Your suggestion works for me. Thanks very much!
On Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 9:50 am, Tom wrote:
>I have had problem pinging between my win98 and winxp laptop using a crossover connector.
>
>I finally get everything working by lowerring the transfer speed to 10mbs. In the
>automatic mode, the cards would negotiate to 100mbs but I only see it worked once.
> I'm using a cheap d-link dfe-530tx card from Fry's on the win98 pc and I begin
>to wonder if it is causing the problem.
>
>
>You can control the card speed via the adapter card's config or property dialog
->
>advanced tab -> link speed/duplex mode setting
>
>Also, I set both of my pc on the same workgroup.
>
>win98 pc ip: 192.168.0.1, mask 255.255.255.0 no dns, no wins, no gateway
>
>winxp pc ip: 192.168.0.2, mask 255.255.255.0 no dns, no wins, gateway 192.168.0.1
>
>Hope this help
>TS
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 9:18 am
Posted by Tom
(2 messages posted)
I finally solved my laptop to win98 connection problem using a crossover cable.
It turned out that the cable is the problem. I decided to make my own cable last
weekend and it works at the full speed (100mbs or 100base-t). At closer look at
the bad cable seems to indicate that the tx-tx+ wires are not in the same twisted
pair so the signal is not protected from noise. Don't by cheap cable from fry's
electronics!
On Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 9:50 am, Tom wrote:
>I have had problem pinging between my win98 and winxp laptop using a crossover connector.
>
>I finally get everything working by lowerring the transfer speed to 10mbs. In the
>automatic mode, the cards would negotiate to 100mbs but I only see it worked once.
> I'm using a cheap d-link dfe-530tx card from Fry's on the win98 pc and I begin
>to wonder if it is causing the problem.
>
>
>You can control the card speed via the adapter card's config or property dialog
->
>advanced tab -> link speed/duplex mode setting
>
>Also, I set both of my pc on the same workgroup.
>
>win98 pc ip: 192.168.0.1, mask 255.255.255.0 no dns, no wins, no gateway
>
>winxp pc ip: 192.168.0.2, mask 255.255.255.0 no dns, no wins, gateway 192.168.0.1
>
>Hope this help
>TS
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re: Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Monday, November 17, 2003 at 10:03 am
Posted by james
(1 messages posted)
i have a win98 and a winxp sharing DSL internet with a crossover and it works fine
for the most part, both computers can see each other, both can share files, the only
problem is when the win98 machin logs into MSN messenger 6.1 it will kick the xp
machine off messenger anybody else hear of this?
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 8:29 pm, haili wrote:
>I have very similar trouble with christiaan,
>
>I used crossover cable between two win98,
>sharing the internet through high speed internet(Road Runner) is ok,
>Sharing files and printer is ok.
>
>now I try to connect a win 98 (direct connect to internet) with winXP home
>But some times internet sharing works, sometimes not
>XP can see the computer name of win98, but can not
>access it.
>
>win 98 can not see XP in the networkneighborhood,
>so can not share printer. Printer is connected to win98
>
>
>
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re: Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Thursday, November 20, 2003 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Ron
(1 messages posted)
I've been dodging this problem for a year now. Sometimes the network connecton works
& sometimes NOT...... After 3 days at a customers location I finally called Microsoft
and put out the money to find the answer. It appears that WINXP doesn't play well
with a crossover cable. Buy a HUB and the problem went away. All works well with
a HUB!
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 8:29 pm, haili wrote:
>I have very similar trouble with christiaan,
>
>I used crossover cable between two win98,
>sharing the internet through high speed internet(Road Runner) is ok,
>Sharing files and printer is ok.
>
>now I try to connect a win 98 (direct connect to internet) with winXP home
>But some times internet sharing works, sometimes not
>XP can see the computer name of win98, but can not
>access it.
>
>win 98 can not see XP in the networkneighborhood,
>so can not share printer. Printer is connected to win98
>
>
>
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re: Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network - the solution!'
Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 10:56 am
Posted by Steve0
(1 messages posted)
OK guys, first of all let me do a little bitching about Windows. According to the
support center Windows 98 does not support connecting two computers with a crossover
cable. So yea, this is bull... I guess they never got it figured out, so they just
gave up... typical Microsoft attitude.
Allright, now that i'm done with that
PROBLEM:
Desktop Computer - Win XP Proffesional
Laptop - Win98 SE
I connected these two computers with a standard Cat5 RJ45 crossover cable and they
didn't recognize eath other. The 98 found "Laptop" on "Workgroup" and the XP found
"Desktop" on "Workgroup" So with a little trial and error and a few forums (computer
technicians two best friends lol) I figured out how to do it.
SOLUTION:
Win98: Intall "IPX/SPX-compatible protocol"
WinXP: Uninstall "QoS Packet Scheduler
HOW:
Win98 - Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Network -> Add -> Protocol -> Microsoft
-> IPX/SPX-compatible Protocol -> OK -> OK -> Yes *RESTART YOUR COMPUTER*
WinXP - Start -> Control Panel -> Network Connections -> *Right click on adapter*
-> Properties -> QoS Packet Scheduler -> Uninstall -> Yes -> Close *RESTART YOUR
COMPUTER*
That should fix the problem, at least it did for me. Ok, since i'm a computer technician
here comes the legal bs
NOTE: This solution is intended for information purposes only. Since Microsoft Windows
98 does not support this feature any technical support given on this issue will be
invalid. To solve this solution please consider using a hub or router with cat5 straight
through network cabling.
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re: Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network - the solution!'
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 8:16 pm
Posted by Martha
(1 messages posted)
I have the same problem. Win 98SE (client) connected to WinXP (host) using dial up
to internet with crossover cable attached to both PC's. I ran the ICS software from
XP onto 98, it worked intermittently, shares work intermittently, can only get either
or working, not both at same time. The TCP/IP config on Win98 also goes missing
(resets to "automatically assign IP address) which has a D-Link NIC. It would probably
work if the TCP/IP stayed but how can I get it to do this? Can anyone help? Would
releasing and/or renewing the IP address help, if so how many times does it have
to be done.
On Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 10:56 am, Steve0 wrote:
>OK guys, first of all let me do a little bitching about Windows. According to the
>support center Windows 98 does not support connecting two computers with a crossover
>cable. So yea, this is bull... I guess they never got it figured out, so they just
>gave up... typical Microsoft attitude.
>
>Allright, now that i'm done with that
>
>PROBLEM:
>Desktop Computer - Win XP Proffesional
>Laptop - Win98 SE
>I connected these two computers with a standard Cat5 RJ45 crossover cable and they
>didn't recognize eath other. The 98 found "Laptop" on "Workgroup" and the XP found
>"Desktop" on "Workgroup" So with a little trial and error and a few forums (computer
>technicians two best friends lol) I figured out how to do it.
>
>SOLUTION:
>Win98: Intall "IPX/SPX-compatible protocol"
>WinXP: Uninstall "QoS Packet Scheduler
>
>HOW:
>Win98 - Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Network -> Add -> Protocol -> Microsoft
>-> IPX/SPX-compatible Protocol -> OK -> OK -> Yes *RESTART YOUR COMPUTER*
>
>WinXP - Start -> Control Panel -> Network Connections -> *Right click on adapter*
>-> Properties -> QoS Packet Scheduler -> Uninstall -> Yes -> Close *RESTART YOUR
>COMPUTER*
>
>That should fix the problem, at least it did for me. Ok, since i'm a computer technician
>here comes the legal bs
>
>NOTE: This solution is intended for information purposes only. Since Microsoft
Windows
>98 does not support this feature any technical support given on this issue will
be
>invalid. To solve this solution please consider using a hub or router with cat5
straight
>through network cabling.
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re: Question about 'Connect to a Windows XP system with a Windows 98 system over a Crossover Cable Network'
Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 6:02 am
Posted by Brent
(1 messages posted)
I've spent a couple days getting XP on one computer to connect with 98SE on another!
A lot of good suggestions on this page, so I'm not sure exactly what did it - It
finally worked when I rechecked my home-made crossover cable and dicsovered I had
to switch 2 pairs of wires (Green and Orange, White/Orange and White/Green) instead
of just one. There are 2 standards for this cableing - 568A and 568B. A crossover
cable has A on one end and B on the other.
On Friday, May 3, 2002 at 11:56 am, TonyL wrote:
>I have a question about Connect
>to a Windows XP or 2000 system with a Windows 95, 98, or Me system over a Network:
>
>I want to share my cable modem between my two computers. One is running winxp,
and
>another is running win98. I am planning on using the winxp computer as the gateway
>and connect to the win98 computer through a crossover ethernet cable. So far, I
>got no luck of setting up the internet sharing part. On the winxp computer, I
got
>two connections: one is the local network, another one is the internet connection.
>
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