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Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am
Posted by Jo
(9 messages posted)
I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
350w so I can't see that being an issue.
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 6:25 am
Posted by Elvis Pack
(91 messages posted)
Could be a bad RAM chip.
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 8:16 am
Posted by jim
(159 messages posted)
I concure with the memory problem. I had all forms of crashes on one computer.
It had three simms, I pulled two, ran it with one, problem gone. Then just install
simms one at a time till the problems back, then you know which on is the problem
and repace it.
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 6:25 am, Elvis Pack wrote:
>Could be a bad RAM chip.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 8:07 am
Posted by niter
(17 messages posted)
before you go pulling out ram (although there is a very good chance you have a bad
ram stick), please post a little more info on your hp...i.e: cpu, mobo company &
model, and bios information... to get to the bios info...when your system starts
up, press the pause button when your bios version / mobo / info pops up (usually
on the bottom left corner on screen preceded by the date of the version)... also,
a huge help would be if you could post the specific error messages...i.e: "stop
error...7bxxxxxx50, etc..." could be anything from the previously posted thoughts
on bad ram, to an outdated bios for your mobo, etc... **fyi: i frequently run across
these bsods with winxp setups...once, i needed to replace the CMOS battery...lol...good
luck ; )
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 10:20 am
Posted by Casey
(571 messages posted)
Hi , the standard for getting into an HP Bios setup is to press "F2" at the HP splash
screen on bootup. Some rare models may vary from this but i've never seen one. Case
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm
Posted by Jo
(9 messages posted)
Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
asks to disable catching or shadowing
STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
beginning to dump physical files.
this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet cause
I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the guts
out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 10:20 am, Casey wrote:
>Hi , the standard for getting into an HP Bios setup is to press "F2" at the HP splash
>screen on bootup. Some rare models may vary from this but i've never seen one. Case
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 7:30 pm
Posted by RA_23
(1 messages posted)
The 8637 is an HP Pavilion OOW model.
Original configuration shows that this model was made to run Windows 98.
The configuration is as follows:
Pandora-U motherboard
AMD Athlon™, 750 MHz (slot A)
AMD Irongate Chipset
128 MB SDRAM, 100 MHz (expandable to 512 MB)
20.4 GB hard drive
L1 Cache - 128KB Core Speed
L2 Cache - 512KB backside/Half Core Speed
CD-RW Rewritable Drive
TNT2 Pro Graphics card with 16 Mbytes video memory (uses
AGP slot)
V.90 56 Kbps modem (56 Kbps data / 14.4 Kbps fax)
Expansion slots: 5 PCI slots; 0 ISA slots; 1 AGP slot
External ports: 2 USB; 1 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port
Front I/O: 1 serial
MPEG2 playback for full-screen, full-motion digital video
Internet ready keyboard
PS/2 Mouse with scroll wheel
"E" Speakers
Try a BIOS upgrade first, most older models needed this for XP compatibility.
If you need further support, call the support # for your country. I believe the 8637
is an Asian/Pacific model.
On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm, Jo wrote:
>Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
>is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
>it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
>PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
>asks to disable catching or shadowing
>
>STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
>beginning to dump physical files.
>this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet
cause
>I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
>model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
>too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
>to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the
guts
>out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 5:05 pm
Posted by Patrick
(1 messages posted)
well, A couple things. First of all, from your description, it sounds a lot like
my pc, a pavilion 8765C. I have had similar problems, although not to the extent
it sounds like you are experiencing. Try hitting F1 at the logo screen, this is the
way mine is. Unfortunately, if you have the same system as me, the bios setup is
not overly helpful. I have yet to find any shadowing options, and is really only
useful for configuring drives. Also, no updates, and virtually impossible to get
any info on mobo or bios version. It's some award bios, but seems to be a piece of
crap and I have yet to find any updates. Anyway, try F1, and hope you don't have
the same bios as me. I know my system is very sketchy when it comes to USB also,
I can't even keep my wireless intellimouse explorer plugged in at startup or the
system won't even boot. This could also be causing your issue, as you mentioned that
USB hub.
On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm, Jo wrote:
>Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
>is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
>it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
>PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
>asks to disable catching or shadowing
>
>STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
>beginning to dump physical files.
>this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet
cause
>I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
>model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
>too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
>to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the
guts
>out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:21 am
Posted by Dan Archer
(1 messages posted)
Hi Casey sounds like you need a BIOS upgrade so you will have to note all those numbers
that one of the previos respones suggested but first you might try pulling the sides
off your case and blowing a house fan right into the case HP computers are cramed
into a tiny little case and allthought they have fancy little shrouds there not all
that efficient I had similar problems with HP and sugested to people to get a new
bigger case or more fans for the origanal case but theres not much ROOM good luck
DAN AKA Dr Gigabyte
On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 10:20 am, Casey wrote:
>Hi , the standard for getting into an HP Bios setup is to press "F2" at the HP splash
>screen on bootup. Some rare models may vary from this but i've never seen one. Case
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am
Posted by things_that_suck
(1 messages posted)
i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you are
having ...usually caused by running win media player.
files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
new CMOS battery
all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous RAM
(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB of
RAM..but that was the old ram)
i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
no go...
haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
On Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:21 am, Dan Archer wrote:
>
>
>Hi Casey sounds like you need a BIOS upgrade so you will have to note all those
numbers
>that one of the previos respones suggested but first you might try pulling the sides
>off your case and blowing a house fan right into the case HP computers are cramed
>into a tiny little case and allthought they have fancy little shrouds there not
all
>that efficient I had similar problems with HP and sugested to people to get a new
>bigger case or more fans for the origanal case but theres not much ROOM good luck
>DAN AKA Dr Gigabyte
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Harper Stone
(3 messages posted)
I am having identical problem, from your description. Nearly continuous BSD with
varying error messages indicating mcafee files or system files (eg:nabtsfec.sys,win32ksys).
I've also received messages without a file specified as in "PFN_LIST_CORRUPT" "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA"
and a couple of others. The most recent novelty is the BSD accompanied with the
startup sound skipping like a scratched record. I updated my Mcafee virus def files
to no apparent effect.
I'd really like to avoid a complete reformat, so any help would be appreciated.
The only recent changes to the system was the installation of DNSKong and Folding@Home
-- both of which I have disabled to no avail.
I have restored system files and the problem reappears after a couple of hours. I
have replaced the entire xp and docs/settings directories with older versions and
the problems reappear within a few hours.
The system is an AMD VIA chipset, 512 meg ram, WinXP Home, FAT32,Creative Live!Drive
Sound, ATI All-in-Wonder Rage 128. It is multi-boot XP/Win98 with no indication of
problems in Win98 on the same machine.
If there are other details I can provide to assist with diagnosing, please let me
know. I'm at my wits end.
Harper
On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am, things_that_suck wrote:
>i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you
are
>having ...usually caused by running win media player.
>
>files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
>
>un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
>
>new CMOS battery
>all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous
RAM
>(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
>shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
>was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB
of
>RAM..but that was the old ram)
>
>i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
>no go...
>
>haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 10:47 am
Posted by Brad
(1 messages posted)
Good tips. I am having a similar problem with a 900 mghz Blaster PC from Tiger Direct.
I have two 128 meg chips in it, so that might be my problem. But would XP be more
sensitive to that than 98SE? I upgraded and don't remember any random hanging or
freezing under 98.
One more question: under 98, you could reinstall ontop of the existing install and
repair missing or corrupted files without losing any of your data or program files.
Can you do this with XP?
And finally, is there any easy way to repair problems with the registry in XP?
Thanks
On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am, things_that_suck wrote:
>i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you
are
>having ...usually caused by running win media player.
>
>files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
>
>un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
>
>new CMOS battery
>all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous
RAM
>(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
>shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
>was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB
of
>RAM..but that was the old ram)
>
>i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
>no go...
>
>haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 5:07 pm
Posted by TM
(1 messages posted)
Don't even bother calling HP for tech support. I tried... got hung up on twice today
and then after trying online chat I was told to format and start over. I don't know
about everyone else, but I'm suspicious that this problem is an XP and an processor
problem. I have an HP laptop w AMD processor... work pc, not my choice. I got the
same blue screen page-invalid error messages, downloaded Microsoft updates, today
a lock up and CRASH. I can't boot at all. Error says unmoutable_boot_device. I
doubt it. I'm trying the BIOS update tomorrow. As far as a reload of XP, yes you
can repair.
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 10:47 am, Brad wrote:
>Good tips. I am having a similar problem with a 900 mghz Blaster PC from Tiger
Direct.
> I have two 128 meg chips in it, so that might be my problem. But would XP be more
>sensitive to that than 98SE? I upgraded and don't remember any random hanging or
>freezing under 98.
>
>One more question: under 98, you could reinstall ontop of the existing install
and
>repair missing or corrupted files without losing any of your data or program files.
> Can you do this with XP?
>
>And finally, is there any easy way to repair problems with the registry in XP?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Scott
(1 messages posted)
I was experiencing the same PAGE_FAULT error while reinstalling xp (due to intermittent
resets). I narrowed it down to the internal cache on the CPU (AMD Athlon 1700). I
disabled the internal cache in BIOS and was able to complete the xp setup (it took
a long time though). After the setup was complete I installed a salvaged Athlon 700
and it runs as great as a 700Mhz CPU will. I wrote AMD yesterday and am waiting (not
holding my breath) for a response.
On Monday, July 22, 2002 at 7:30 pm, RA_23 wrote:
>The 8637 is an HP Pavilion OOW model.
>
>Original configuration shows that this model was made to run Windows 98.
>
>The configuration is as follows:
>Pandora-U motherboard
>AMD Athlon™, 750 MHz (slot A)
>AMD Irongate Chipset
>128 MB SDRAM, 100 MHz (expandable to 512 MB)
>20.4 GB hard drive
>L1 Cache - 128KB Core Speed
>L2 Cache - 512KB backside/Half Core Speed
>CD-RW Rewritable Drive
>TNT2 Pro Graphics card with 16 Mbytes video memory (uses
>AGP slot)
>V.90 56 Kbps modem (56 Kbps data / 14.4 Kbps fax)
>Expansion slots: 5 PCI slots; 0 ISA slots; 1 AGP slot
>External ports: 2 USB; 1 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port
>Front I/O: 1 serial
>MPEG2 playback for full-screen, full-motion digital video
>Internet ready keyboard
>PS/2 Mouse with scroll wheel
>"E" Speakers
>
>Try a BIOS upgrade first, most older models needed this for XP compatibility.
>
>If you need further support, call the support # for your country. I believe the
8637
>is an Asian/Pacific model.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 6:37 am
Posted by Greg
(1 messages posted)
I hope I'm not duplicating this response but as a service technician, I have yet
to see anything larger than a 200 Watt power supply in a Hewlett Packard machine.
In fact some of them have as little as 145 watts! I'd physically examine the power
supply and see what rating it REALLY is....
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Friday, March 14, 2003 at 10:20 am
Posted by Don
(2 messages posted)
microsoft also has a registry restore bat file on thier website to make reg fixes
easier, as far as the rest of these bsod errors i havent found them to have a clue
unless your willing to pay 35 bux an hour..and im a system builder selling thier
products, am thinking its time to invest some time and effort into linux.
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 5:07 pm, TM wrote:
>Don't even bother calling HP for tech support. I tried... got hung up on twice
today
>and then after trying online chat I was told to format and start over. I don't
know
>about everyone else, but I'm suspicious that this problem is an XP and an processor
>problem. I have an HP laptop w AMD processor... work pc, not my choice. I got
the
>same blue screen page-invalid error messages, downloaded Microsoft updates, today
>a lock up and CRASH. I can't boot at all. Error says unmoutable_boot_device.
I
>doubt it. I'm trying the BIOS update tomorrow. As far as a reload of XP, yes you
>can repair.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 10:41 pm
Posted by thom blaylock
(5 messages posted)
I've been having a problem that sounds very similar to the rest of the messages.
I have a gigabyte 8st667-l motherboard, intel p4 2.4 ghz, 512 mb ram, ati radeon
7500 graphic card win xp home. I was having these problems (random crashes, fatal
errors, "memory could not be read" errors with games, random computer restarts)
I updated all my drivers, same problems. Then I updated the bios fixed my problems.
A week ago I bought a logitech cordless mouse. it froze up my machine and then
I couldn't reboot the computer. It would start to boot but then stay stuck on the
welcome screen. I formatted and started over (stuck on welcome screen) I cleared
the cmos, disabled the usb ports and was able to use xp.
Now I am back to square one though. I have all the updated drivers, bios is the
newest, back to the same crashes at very expected times (30-40 minutes after starting
applications) I am ready to destroy this computer!!!!
if anyone has any ideas on how to fix or bring pain to this thing let me know.
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, May 12, 2003 at 2:02 pm
Posted by fautralo
(1 messages posted)
I've been having the same problems. I have the same problems in two PCs and I've
realized that if i slow down the speed of your memory for example from DDR 166 to
DDR133 i don't have this problems anymore. So I guess it's a memory management problem
with windows
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 9:12 am
Posted by thom blaylock
(5 messages posted)
I fixed my problem. The motherboard had a tiny crack on the backside just behind
the agp slot. I checked the spacers and the ones gigabyte shipped with the m-board
were slightly different sizes. I think what happened was that pushing in the video
card messed up the board at the crack or perhaps somewhere else.
I think the overall problem with win xp and 2000 though is that its error messages
are pointless, not just to lay users, but also to the 'highly experienced support
staff.' They didn't have any idea what the error numbers meant. not that it was
a windows problem, but . . . makes me want to use linux again, at least I wasn't
supporting some huge hulking corporate monster, even if their products are slick.
On Monday, May 12, 2003 at 2:02 pm, fautralo wrote:
>I've been having the same problems. I have the same problems in two PCs and I've
>realized that if i slow down the speed of your memory for example from DDR 166 to
>DDR133 i don't have this problems anymore. So I guess it's a memory management problem
>with windows
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 4:08 am
Posted by Mike
(2 messages posted)
Dear All,
I also have an XP system that randonly blue screens, the system was built by myself
from brand new XP and AMD comlpiant bits.
340 watt PSU
2 * 256mb PC2700 DDR PC333 Memory
Gigabyte Motherboard (GA7VX-P KT400)
AMD 2400 XP Processor
8x AGP Video Card MSI/FX5200TDR/128MB
CPU Temp 50's - System Temp 30's
I noticed the comment on the Gigabyte board, I also have one of these
Im now wondering if it is a ram issue or a bust motherboard?
Regards
Stressed Mike ...
http://www.bollx.com
On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 9:12 am, thom blaylock wrote:
>I fixed my problem. The motherboard had a tiny crack on the backside just behind
>the agp slot. I checked the spacers and the ones gigabyte shipped with the m-board
>were slightly different sizes. I think what happened was that pushing in the video
>card messed up the board at the crack or perhaps somewhere else.
>
>I think the overall problem with win xp and 2000 though is that its error messages
>are pointless, not just to lay users, but also to the 'highly experienced support
>staff.' They didn't have any idea what the error numbers meant. not that it was
>a windows problem, but . . . makes me want to use linux again, at least I wasn't
>supporting some huge hulking corporate monster, even if their products are slick.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 2:38 pm
Posted by thom blaylock
(5 messages posted)
Mike,
I suggest:
back up your very important documents and files. HD partitions and burned cd's are
great for this
1) download most recent bios and flash it. the gigabyte utility is pretty good
for this
2) trade out and test ram (if you've got more than one) also test the different
ram slots
If it still doesn't work:
3) take apart and reassemble the computer. careful to be grounded and visually check
all parts even spacers. I actually found a small hair-sized crack about four inches
long on the back side of the board. put in only the m-board, ram and video card.
reload win, format, reload windows.
4)if this still is the problem, chances are it is the mother board. don't waste
a ton of time on this. I spent two and a half months of free time and it gets really
depressing.
good luck.
On Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 4:08 am, Mike wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I also have an XP system that randonly blue screens, the system was built by myself
>from brand new XP and AMD comlpiant bits.
>340 watt PSU
>2 * 256mb PC2700 DDR PC333 Memory
>Gigabyte Motherboard (GA7VX-P KT400)
>AMD 2400 XP Processor
>8x AGP Video Card MSI/FX5200TDR/128MB
>CPU Temp 50's - System Temp 30's
>
>
>I noticed the comment on the Gigabyte board, I also have one of these
>
>Im now wondering if it is a ram issue or a bust motherboard?
>
>Regards
>
>Stressed Mike ...
>http://www.bollx.com
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, June 2, 2003 at 10:45 am
Posted by Aimless
(1 messages posted)
It sure does get depressing im still suffering with this problem 6months on .. Ive
tried EVERYTHING thats been sugested here bar none.
Thinking of giving it up and reverting back to win 98 does anyone know if this problem
will still persist in win98?? thanks
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, June 2, 2003 at 5:11 pm
Posted by thom blaylock
(5 messages posted)
don't get depressed by this thing Aimless. Have you taken the computer in to have
the hardware checked. Check out my last message outlining my checklist of things
to do. figure out how much your time is worth to you, and if you've spent too much
time on the computer bite the bullet and buy a computer made by someone near by.
There are places near me selling near top of the line p-4's with windows preinstalled,
drivers working etc. It is a fun hobby making a computer, but I think if I had it
to do over again, I'd have just bought one. I wasted 90% of my freetime for 4 months
only to find out there was nothing I was doing wrong, the m-board was broken.
hang in there, and ignore the computer for a week or so. These things are a bit
like angry lovers.
On Monday, June 2, 2003 at 10:45 am, Aimless wrote:
>It sure does get depressing im still suffering with this problem 6months on .. Ive
>tried EVERYTHING thats been sugested here bar none.
>
>Thinking of giving it up and reverting back to win 98 does anyone know if this problem
>will still persist in win98?? thanks
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, June 5, 2003 at 9:23 am
Posted by shawn
(1 messages posted)
I am just assuming this is a windows issue. My machine was running flawless tell
I decided to add some stuff into it. Currently running soyo dragon plus mobo, 512mb
pc2100 cruciel ram, ati all in wonder, raid 0 2x80gig array. I have the latest bios
available, I have downloaded all the newest drivers and I have all the latest updates
from windows. I have even rebuilt the system twice and reloaded xp once. I also
replaced my power supply with a raidmax 500w piece. I was getting random reboots
and figured it was the ps but that didn't fix it. Now that I have reloaded xp I
don't seem to have the random reboots but at night when my virus scan runs it seems
to cause some trouble with memory. I always wake up to a PAGE_FAULT error. Even
if I am to run the virus software during the day it comes up with the same PAGE_FAULT
error but it always seems to say a different file. I have another stick of ram sitting
here that I have yet to try but I think that will be my next course of action. I
am wondering if this is a problem with AMD and microsoft.
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 3:17 am
Posted by Simon VdV
(1 messages posted)
Hi guys,
I also have random crashes. Whenever KaZaA finishes a file, the system crashes to
a BSOD saying PFN_LIST_CORRUPT. I checked the MS website (MSDN) and they suggest
it's a driver issue. I can't think why.
I'm running XP Pro SP1 on:
MSI KT3 Ultra ARU,
AMD Athlon XP 2100+ underclocked to 1500+ speed,
512mb PC3200 Corsair memory (running at 333),
Thermalright SLK800 CPU heatsink,
Gainward GeForce 4 Ultra 650 GS XP (GF4 MX 460, 64mb DDR),
Audigy 2 Platinum,
550W PSU,
Pioneer DVD-117 (16x DVD),
LiteOn LTR-52246S (52x24x52x CDRW),
120Gb Western Digital Caviar Special Edition HD (8mb cache),
120Gb Seagate Barracuda V HD (2mb cache, silent),
Lian-Li PC65,
Zalman Fan-Mates all round on all case fans, and northbridge fan (nb is currently
at full speed).
Thanks,
Simon
On Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 4:08 am, Mike wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I also have an XP system that randonly blue screens, the system was built by myself
>from brand new XP and AMD comlpiant bits.
>340 watt PSU
>2 * 256mb PC2700 DDR PC333 Memory
>Gigabyte Motherboard (GA7VX-P KT400)
>AMD 2400 XP Processor
>8x AGP Video Card MSI/FX5200TDR/128MB
>CPU Temp 50's - System Temp 30's
>
>
>I noticed the comment on the Gigabyte board, I also have one of these
>
>Im now wondering if it is a ram issue or a bust motherboard?
>
>Regards
>
>Stressed Mike ...
>http://www.bollx.com
>
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Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 3:34 am
Posted by Mike
(2 messages posted)
My BSOD problems turned out to be cheap PC2700 memory I have coughed up the extra
££ and purchased Corsair memory. It seems to be ok now (I hope).
Regards
Mike ...
http://www.bollx.com
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 3:17 am, Simon VdV wrote:
>Hi guys,
>I also have random crashes. Whenever KaZaA finishes a file, the system crashes to
>a BSOD saying PFN_LIST_CORRUPT. I checked the MS website (MSDN) and they suggest
>it's a driver issue. I can't think why.
>
>I'm running XP Pro SP1 on:
>MSI KT3 Ultra ARU,
>AMD Athlon XP 2100+ underclocked to 1500+ speed,
>512mb PC3200 Corsair memory (running at 333),
>Thermalright SLK800 CPU heatsink,
>Gainward GeForce 4 Ultra 650 GS XP (GF4 MX 460, 64mb DDR),
>Audigy 2 Platinum,
>550W PSU,
>Pioneer DVD-117 (16x DVD),
>LiteOn LTR-52246S (52x24x52x CDRW),
>120Gb Western Digital Caviar Special Edition HD (8mb cache),
>120Gb Seagate Barracuda V HD (2mb cache, silent),
>Lian-Li PC65,
>Zalman Fan-Mates all round on all case fans, and northbridge fan (nb is currently
>at full speed).
>
>Thanks,
>Simon
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 8:57 pm
Posted by JG
(1 messages posted)
Hello;
I had this same isse with a PC. The PC was very dusty inside and the AMD processor
heatsink was covered enough as to not let enough air through. So it seems the processor
was getting too hot and causing WinXP to do a 'PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA'. After
blowing out the system, the system seems to work very well now.
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 3:34 am, Mike wrote:
>
>My BSOD problems turned out to be cheap PC2700 memory I have coughed up the extra
>££ and purchased Corsair memory. It seems to be ok now (I hope).
>
>Regards
>
>Mike ...
>http://www.bollx.com
>
>
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Thermal processor instability can cause OS crash
Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 1:13 pm
Posted by ScientificProgrammer
(3 messages posted)
I was reusing an old heat sink (and fan) for building up an MSI motherboard. Since
the phase change thermal pad on the AMD Athlon heatsink is single use, I had to remove
the old thermal pad and replace it with a new one. The new thermal pad must be applied
evenly, without lumps or voids. Any lumps or voids in the thermal pad will cause
hot spots on the processor die, which will increase the likelihood of instability
and processor damage. The motherboard’s temperature sensor will not detect
these hotspots because the sensor is on the opposite side of the processor package
from the heat-producing die. Here’s what I did: First, I marked the location
of the old thermal pad. Then I scraped off most of the old thermal pad using a wooden
‘popsicle’ stick to avoid scratching the soft aluminum heatsink (a plastic
knife would also work). Then I removed the remaining residue of the old thermal
pad with a petroleum solvent. I rinsed away the petroleum residue with electronic
contact cleaner. I selected a 0.2mm thick Boron Nitride thermal pad with a thermal
resistance of 0.03degC/W for the new AMD processor. The new thermal pad came packaged
between two plastic (Mylar) sheets. I warmed the heat sink before applying the new
thermal pad to assist in adhesion. Remove the plastic sheet from one side of the
new thermal pad and apply it to the warm heat sink using gentle pressure. There
can’t be any air bubbles. The plastic sheet on the other side of thermal pad
may tend to stick and not release cleanly, which causes lumps and voids in the thermal
pad rendering it unusable. To avoid this problem, chill the heat-sink in the freezer
before attempting to remove the plastic sheet from the processor side of the new
thermal pad. This process should yield a smooth thermal pad without lumps or voids
for maximum heat transfer from the processor, without hotspots and thermal-induced
processor instability.
On Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 8:57 pm, JG wrote:
>Hello;
>
>I had this same isse with a PC. The PC was very dusty inside and the AMD processor
>heatsink was covered enough as to not let enough air through. So it seems the processor
>was getting too hot and causing WinXP to do a 'PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA'. After
>blowing out the system, the system seems to work very well now.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, September 8, 2003 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Ruibing Wang
(1 messages posted)
I have WinXP SP1, AMD Athlon XP, and 3 DDR Rams, 2 identical ones of 256mb, and 1
extra one of 512mb. At first it was crashing a lot, so I went to BIOS and set the
CAS Latency from auto detect to 2.5. Then recently I've started to get these blue
screens of page faults again, so I fixed by upgrading my BIOS, though the BIOS didnt
say it fixes any memory bugs, but all I know is that was the only fix I did and it
works fine now.
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, November 1, 2003 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Gary
(2 messages posted)
If you have a Win9X Startup Disc or CD at hand (I cannot confirm anything that follows,
if you are using a 2000 or XP CD), set your machine to boot off the cd if it won't
boot normally. Essentially what I am suggesting is booting into 'Safe Mode' which
by default automatically checks your 'hardware' memory and will report any faults.
No third party software is required for this, although I sure there is plenty of
free & shareware out there that would do the job. I hope this may be of some help
to you.
Good Luck & Regards
Gary
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, November 2, 2003 at 6:52 pm
Posted by George Snyder
(1 messages posted)
My win XP pro system used to crash with a win32k.sys error. The cause has turned
out to be that my dram command rate was set at T1. Setting it to T2 for more time
after the Via "chip select" fixed the problem. This is a bios change.
On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am, things_that_suck wrote:
>i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you
are
>having ...usually caused by running win media player.
>
>files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
>
>un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
>
>new CMOS battery
>all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous
RAM
>(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
>shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
>was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB
of
>RAM..but that was the old ram)
>
>i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
>no go...
>
>haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, November 5, 2003 at 6:15 pm
Posted by lolcom
(2 messages posted)
very similar situation and similar specs - new system - have reinstalled xp 3 times
- to no avail - it might be amd, it might be ram - thiis is a computer from a client
of mine - I have installed xp on various systems at least a dozen times - all satisfied
customers - no bsds like this one (PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA) - unfortunately,
the mom is pc ignorant and the main user is a 17yr old guy that seems to think computers
are flawless and if there are any errors, it must be the tech's fault (hehe, if only
the world was this simple) - of all the clients I have this is the last one I want
this to happen to for the simple fact that they do not and refuse to understand that
I did not create all the components nor write the os - I am inclined to give them
my pc to appease them LOL - barring that, any info would be great but if it is
any consolation, none of you are alone. Going to check the ram and will keep you
informed to see if it works.
On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 2:30 pm, Harper Stone wrote:
>I am having identical problem, from your description. Nearly continuous BSD with
>varying error messages indicating mcafee files or system files (eg:nabtsfec.sys,win32ksys).
> I've also received messages without a file specified as in "PFN_LIST_CORRUPT"
"PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA"
>and a couple of others. The most recent novelty is the BSD accompanied with the
>startup sound skipping like a scratched record. I updated my Mcafee virus def files
>to no apparent effect.
>
>I'd really like to avoid a complete reformat, so any help would be appreciated.
>
>The only recent changes to the system was the installation of DNSKong and Folding@Home
>-- both of which I have disabled to no avail.
>
>I have restored system files and the problem reappears after a couple of hours.
I
>have replaced the entire xp and docs/settings directories with older versions and
>the problems reappear within a few hours.
>
>The system is an AMD VIA chipset, 512 meg ram, WinXP Home, FAT32,Creative Live!Drive
>Sound, ATI All-in-Wonder Rage 128. It is multi-boot XP/Win98 with no indication
of
>problems in Win98 on the same machine.
>
>If there are other details I can provide to assist with diagnosing, please let me
>know. I'm at my wits end.
>
>Harper
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, November 5, 2003 at 6:54 pm
Posted by lolcom
(2 messages posted)
to add to my previous post - my one yr old pc is also an amd with NONE of these problems
and a smaller power supply (unlike the new pc with the constant bsd of PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA-)
how many of you have dial-up and how many have broadband? (dsl and cable)
On Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 10:41 pm, thom blaylock wrote:
>I've been having a problem that sounds very similar to the rest of the messages.
> I have a gigabyte 8st667-l motherboard, intel p4 2.4 ghz, 512 mb ram, ati radeon
>7500 graphic card win xp home. I was having these problems (random crashes, fatal
>errors, "memory could not be read" errors with games, random computer restarts)
>I updated all my drivers, same problems. Then I updated the bios fixed my problems.
> A week ago I bought a logitech cordless mouse. it froze up my machine and then
>I couldn't reboot the computer. It would start to boot but then stay stuck on the
>welcome screen. I formatted and started over (stuck on welcome screen) I cleared
>the cmos, disabled the usb ports and was able to use xp.
>
>Now I am back to square one though. I have all the updated drivers, bios is the
>newest, back to the same crashes at very expected times (30-40 minutes after starting
>applications) I am ready to destroy this computer!!!!
>
>if anyone has any ideas on how to fix or bring pain to this thing let me know.
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, November 27, 2003 at 9:09 pm
Posted by joebagofdonuts
(74 messages posted)
I could never see myself buying a "name brand" computer every again, I just built
myself a decent XP2400 machine for under $500 and I can upgrade whenever i feel like
it.
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Sunday, November 30, 2003 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Trent
(3 messages posted)
Hello
This may sound really silly but I am having crashes all the time and want to try
your suggestion of upgrading the B10S, how do I go about doing this??
Hope you can help :)
Thanks
Trent
On Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:21 am, Dan Archer wrote:
>
>
>Hi Casey sounds like you need a BIOS upgrade so you will have to note all those
numbers
>that one of the previos respones suggested but first you might try pulling the sides
>off your case and blowing a house fan right into the case HP computers are cramed
>into a tiny little case and allthought they have fancy little shrouds there not
all
>that efficient I had similar problems with HP and sugested to people to get a new
>bigger case or more fans for the origanal case but theres not much ROOM good luck
>DAN AKA Dr Gigabyte
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, January 5, 2004 at 9:29 am
Posted by Hockey_Dad
(2 messages posted)
I found a solution to _my_ unexpeced reboots:
...I moved my USB hub card one more slot away from the (empty) AGP slot ... That's
the bottom line. Here's the story if you'er interested.
MOBO: GA-7VKML w/integrated Video, Sound, and NIC. Only added card is a USB (PCI)
bus in slot nearest AGP slot (unpopulated). 512 MB (2@256MB) mixed brand RAM.
I've been having daily unexpected reboots for about a year, sometimes a dozen a day.
I had them with Win98, then recently, with WinXP Pro (clean install) on same box
as had Win98.
I turned off the auto-reboot-on stop-error, so I've been able to see the various
error causing the reboots. The messages referred to "WIN32K.SYS", "S3GNB.DLL", "PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA",
and "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL". Maybe others that I didn't write down... If I let Windows
report the error to Microsoft and analize it, Microsoft would give me the useless
report saying that there was some _unspecified_ "driver problem" (MS excells at worthless
"help".) I updated ALL my drivers, OS, programs, etc. I also uninstalled Zone Alarm
firewall, having read several reports of potential compatability problems (Hate
XP firewall). By the way, I checked my IRQs and none of them are shared. Still geting
lots of the same errors! 'Bout this time I'm looking for a trash can big enough to
dump my PC! -so now I'm thinking maybe incompatable video card or bad ram...
Finally I found a thread here in Annoyances.org suggesting that if a Sound card
is in PCI slot nearest AGP slot, sound and video would 'certainly' share resources/IRQ
and likely create the sort of problems I've been having.
*************************
In desperation, I moved my USB hub card one more slot away from the (empty) AGP slot
and reversed my two RAM sricks. It's been a week now and NO reboots! NOT ONE. I think
the solution was moving the card. The fix looks real and I'm a happy dog. I hope
my experience will help somebody else.
Regards,
Hockey_Dad
On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm, Jo wrote:
>Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
>is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
>it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
>PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
>asks to disable catching or shadowing
>
>STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
>beginning to dump physical files.
>this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet
cause
>I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
>model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
>too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
>to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the
guts
>out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 5:10 am
Posted by ski
(1 messages posted)
Just another guy rambling about the same problem.... I was experiencing the same
bsod problems that most of you here have or were experiencing, which led me here
to figure out what I needed to do to fix it.. I was getting page fault in nonpaged
area errors, irq not less or equal, usb_hub.sys error, win32k.sys, bad_pool_caller,
you name it.... I did notice earlier that my usb ports and nic were using the same
IRQ (10, evidently shared with no conflicts) and that If I disabled one or the other
in device manager the computer would instantly be more stable. This was a problem
because I had A. no internet(that sucks) or B. no wireless keyboard/mouse (awww).
But the problem was easier to fix than I thought, I just moved the nic card to the
bottom slot and things were immediately stable. The nic is now on IRQ 11, the USB
ports are on 10, and I haven't had a pc crash in at LEAST 10 minutes!! fantastic
btw I am running XPpro, AMD2100xp, soyo dragon lite, audigy 1 platinum, 512ddr, Geforce3
64mb, and an old linksys nic (lne100txv4 i believe)
Check all your IRQ's in device manager to see if you have more than one device using
the same IRQ. Even if it says there are no conflicts, try moving your pci cards around.
Wow it's been 15 minutes now, this is awesome
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Ameir
(1 messages posted)
I think there may be an AMD problem going on here. I love AMD, but all of you that
are reporting problems are using an AMD chip. The PC I'm on now is a P4 and has
never had that problem. I really hope I am wrong because the next computer I will
be building will be an AMD. Sorry I don't have any tips for you, others seemed to
have contributed quite a bit already. Good luck with your systems.
P.S. If you are having severe problems, I guess I could take your PC of your hands
for you :). lol
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:55 am
Posted by Aydrian
(1 messages posted)
Hi there..... I got the dreaded blue screen with the damn PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA,......
It occurs whenever i am trying too install a new software, even those that i managed
to install in the past with my old pc (same HDD but with new motherboard, ram and
cpu).....
Although the problem is not exactly similar to most of the problems here, but i would
like to know if i should tackle this problem as suggested with gurus out there....
1. chack ram and cpu
2. reslot/reposition the ram
3. update bios
4. another other method that i left out?
thanks a million in advance....
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Drifter
(1 messages posted)
I really don't think it's a AMD only problem. I'm more inclined to think it is one
of Microsoft's updates that is causing this. I've been running the same setup for
quite a while now and never experienced this problem until recently. I've done memtests,
reformated etc. and still have the random reboots. All hardware seem to be checking
out ok too. My last step is to change around the hardware config and see if that
makes a difference.
On Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:55 am, Aydrian wrote:
>Hi there..... I got the dreaded blue screen with the damn PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA,......
>It occurs whenever i am trying too install a new software, even those that i managed
>to install in the past with my old pc (same HDD but with new motherboard, ram and
>cpu).....
>Although the problem is not exactly similar to most of the problems here, but i
would
>like to know if i should tackle this problem as suggested with gurus out there....
>1. chack ram and cpu
>2. reslot/reposition the ram
>3. update bios
>4. another other method that i left out?
>
>thanks a million in advance....
>
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, July 1, 2004 at 9:52 pm
Posted by nathan
(1 messages posted)
Hey,
I have an amd athlon xp 2800+ with 120gb hdd, 512 megs ram and geforce 4 mx 440 integrated
gpu. i got it a few weeks ago and it cost a bundle (too bloody much). everything
worked fine until one day it crashed(noooo). I started it up again and was mad as
hell when the starting up screen came up but it wouldn't start. Now I can start it
up but the blue screen of death comes up every bloody time i do something. I has
errors like PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
and something about the memory. I have reinstalled xp and all of the drivers and
it still won't work.
I know it might be something with the ram but i checked and there is nothing wrong
it.
HELP.
On Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:55 am, Aydrian wrote:
>Hi there..... I got the dreaded blue screen with the damn PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA,......
>It occurs whenever i am trying too install a new software, even those that i managed
>to install in the past with my old pc (same HDD but with new motherboard, ram and
>cpu).....
>Although the problem is not exactly similar to most of the problems here, but i
would
>like to know if i should tackle this problem as suggested with gurus out there....
>1. chack ram and cpu
>2. reslot/reposition the ram
>3. update bios
>4. another other method that i left out?
>
>thanks a million in advance....
>
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 12:34 am
Posted by Mr P
(3 messages posted)
Your motherboard may be too old for a broadband connection. You normally get problems
such as fatal crashes with broadband on many computers that have pretty old motherboards.
It may be time for a new computer...
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 9:40 pm
Posted by D A
(1 messages posted)
I also have that problem on a recently bought AMD sempron at 2200+ w/ 256 ram, ps
at 300, 64 mb video...
i thought first it was the windows updates, then a java controller not signed from
Sun...
I applied bios changes mentioned as 'spd' dram to 't2' and cpu from 166 mhz to 100
& currently 133...
i'm testing it right now... please any insight would be of help...
On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed
the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know
is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats
in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I
don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather
is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 5:15 am
Posted by more_detail
(1 messages posted)
Hi Scott,
I have exactly the same problem but in a totally different system. Basically everything
works without any problem if I disable internal cache. My system is a m571 mobo with
a 6x86mx-pr200 processor, running w98se so very old. Well everthing works but half
the speed compared to when I have internal cache but of course then it dies with
the page fault.
I wonder if you have found more info in the meantime that may give some clues too.
Thanks
Cem
On Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 5:22 pm, Scott wrote:
>I was experiencing the same PAGE_FAULT error while reinstalling xp (due to intermittent
>resets). I narrowed it down to the internal cache on the CPU (AMD Athlon 1700).
I
>disabled the internal cache in BIOS and was able to complete the xp setup (it took
>a long time though). After the setup was complete I installed a salvaged Athlon
700
>and it runs as great as a 700Mhz CPU will. I wrote AMD yesterday and am waiting
(not
>holding my breath) for a response.
>
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Thursday, March 3, 2005 at 3:09 am
Posted by vojta nedved
(1 messages posted)
past few weks i had similar problem, i was getting the PAGE_FAULT, win32k.sys and
something_LEQUAL bsod, now it seems i fixed my problem. i bought some cheapo 2*512
RAM recently, it worked ok for some time and then my problems appeared.
i tried memtest86 and windows memory diagnostic, but no problems were found. then
i also tried some memory tester which tests your memory under windows and many problems
were found. so this is question of incompatibility imho and CORSAR or KINGMAX high
quality memory would fix it. anyway, i switched to bios and disabled "RAM COMMAND
CONTROL" (or something similar) and problems seem to be gone..
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 at 6:29 am
Posted by Michael C.
(1 messages posted)
Hi. I want to thank evereyone who provided me with a path to follow to get my HP
Pavilion 8765C to finally work. I had crashes constantly with the orginal Windows
ME and even more with XP Pro. My unit came standard with 128meg. From new also I
added 256meg ram. From the suggestions here, I started moving and swapping the ram
sticks. Bottom line is that my unit would not work at all with only the factory 128meg
bank in, in any slot. I put only the aftermarket 256meg in a slot and fired up. Unit
has been totally stable since. Best I can figure, the 256 was carrying the workload
and the bad 128meg was there to muck up the works. I'll get an additional 256 stick
to have 512meg and report back if any problems. I was told by armchair experts that
bios was no good, mobo no good, power supply no good, etc... Check your memory before
replacing any other stuff first! PS: Both cooling fans were dead. I cleaned out the
case like new and installed 2 new color led fans. Unit stays cool and casts an even
cooler color on the wall behind it now.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 5:05 pm, Patrick wrote:
>
>well, A couple things. First of all, from your description, it sounds a lot like
>my pc, a pavilion 8765C. I have had similar problems, although not to the extent
>it sounds like you are experiencing. Try hitting F1 at the logo screen, this is
the
>way mine is. Unfortunately, if you have the same system as me, the bios setup is
>not overly helpful. I have yet to find any shadowing options, and is really only
>useful for configuring drives. Also, no updates, and virtually impossible to get
>any info on mobo or bios version. It's some award bios, but seems to be a piece
of
>crap and I have yet to find any updates. Anyway, try F1, and hope you don't have
>the same bios as me. I know my system is very sketchy when it comes to USB also,
>I can't even keep my wireless intellimouse explorer plugged in at startup or the
>system won't even boot. This could also be causing your issue, as you mentioned
that
>USB hub.
>
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re: Question about 'Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
Monday, May 2, 2005 at 10:20 am
Posted by FiddliBuber
(6 messages posted)
hey,
thanks, man! that's just what i needed
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dude - ease up on the jargon and de-word
Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Posted by paulatlanta
(1 messages posted)
did you ever read a newspaper?
word conservation is en vogue.
so is white space, and pargraphs.
On Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 1:13 pm, ScientificProgrammer wrote:
>I was reusing an old heat sink (and fan) for building up an MSI motherboard. Since
>the phase change thermal pad on the AMD Athlon heatsink is single use, I had to
remove
>the old thermal pad and replace it with a new one. The new thermal pad must be
applied
>evenly, without lumps or voids. Any lumps or voids in the thermal pad will cause
>hot spots on the processor die, which will increase the likelihood of instability
>and processor damage. The motherboard’s temperature sensor will not detect
>these hotspots because the sensor is on the opposite side of the processor package
>from the heat-producing die. Here’s what I did: First, I marked the location
>of the old thermal pad. Then I scraped off most of the old thermal pad using a
wooden
>‘popsicle’ stick to avoid scratching the soft aluminum heatsink (a plastic
>knife would also work). Then I removed the remaining residue of the old thermal
>pad with a petroleum solvent. I rinsed away the petroleum residue with electronic
>contact cleaner. I selected a 0.2mm thick Boron Nitride thermal pad with a thermal
>resistance of 0.03degC/W for the new AMD processor. The new thermal pad came packaged
>between two plastic (Mylar) sheets. I warmed the heat sink before applying the
new
>thermal pad to assist in adhesion. Remove the plastic sheet from one side of the
>new thermal pad and apply it to the warm heat sink using gentle pressure. There
>can’t be any air bubbles. The plastic sheet on the other side of thermal pad
>may tend to stick and not release cleanly, which causes lumps and voids in the thermal
>pad rendering it unusable. To avoid this problem, chill the heat-sink in the freezer
>before attempting to remove the plastic sheet from the processor side of the new
>thermal pad. This process should yield a smooth thermal pad without lumps or voids
>for maximum heat transfer from the processor, without hotspots and thermal-induced
>processor instability.
>
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aargh
Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 10:10 pm
Posted by jay
(1 messages posted)
Got the same crap today, page fault, irql less..Maybe its my amd saying goodnight.
All i did was removing the heatsink from the cpu, removing loads of dust, putting
it back on and there it was. I cant even get into windows now. I have restarted 120
times, changing pcislots ++ checked ram now...nothing. This thread is over 2 years
old and ms have got nothing..anyone/- where the hell has my questionmark gone..anyway
im going crazy /
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Another fix report
Tuesday, May 30, 2006 at 1:04 am
Posted by William Warburton
(1 messages posted)
Hi,
I've been working through the recommendations here and seem to have pinned my
problems down to the power supply. The original was 300W, which I think was probably
adequate but I don't know for sure. At any rate, I replaced it with a new, bigger
one and the machine seems to be stable now (only application crashes in the last
three days, previously it was hanging in a matter of hours).
Thanks to all contributors.
Cheers,
W.
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re: Another fix report
Monday, May 18, 2009 at 6:40 am
Posted by Waskor and Pijor
(9 messages posted)
My computer would periodically freeze, requiring a reboot. This would happen when
playing online games such as runescape. An additional problem was this: The computer
would loose focus from internet explorer. The previous way we got around this problem
was by going to a different window application, then returning. --- All of these
problems were fixed when I went from a "free after rebate" 350 watt power supply
to a 430 watt power supply. ---
T. Lee
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