I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is 350w so I can't see that being an issue.

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Could be a bad RAM chip.


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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I concure with the memory problem. I had all forms of crashes on one computer. It had three simms, I pulled two, ran it with one, problem gone. Then just install simms one at a time till the problems back, then you know which on is the problem and repace it.


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 6:25 am, Elvis Pack wrote:
>Could be a bad RAM chip.
>
>

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before you go pulling out ram (although there is a very good chance you have a bad ram stick), please post a little more info on your hp...i.e: cpu, mobo company & model, and bios information... to get to the bios info...when your system starts up, press the pause button when your bios version / mobo / info pops up (usually on the bottom left corner on screen preceded by the date of the version)... also, a huge help would be if you could post the specific error messages...i.e: "stop error...7bxxxxxx50, etc..." could be anything from the previously posted thoughts on bad ram, to an outdated bios for your mobo, etc... **fyi: i frequently run across these bsods with winxp setups...once, i needed to replace the CMOS battery...lol...good luck ; )


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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Hi , the standard for getting into an HP Bios setup is to press "F2" at the HP splash screen on bootup. Some rare models may vary from this but i've never seen one. Case


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described, is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA asks to disable catching or shadowing STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000) beginning to dump physical files. this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet cause I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the guts out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.


On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 10:20 am, Casey wrote:
>Hi , the standard for getting into an HP Bios setup is to press "F2" at the HP splash
>screen on bootup. Some rare models may vary from this but i've never seen one. Case
>
>

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The 8637 is an HP Pavilion OOW model. Original configuration shows that this model was made to run Windows 98. The configuration is as follows: Pandora-U motherboard AMD Athlon™, 750 MHz (slot A) AMD Irongate Chipset 128 MB SDRAM, 100 MHz (expandable to 512 MB) 20.4 GB hard drive L1 Cache - 128KB Core Speed L2 Cache - 512KB backside/Half Core Speed CD-RW Rewritable Drive TNT2 Pro Graphics card with 16 Mbytes video memory (uses AGP slot) V.90 56 Kbps modem (56 Kbps data / 14.4 Kbps fax) Expansion slots: 5 PCI slots; 0 ISA slots; 1 AGP slot External ports: 2 USB; 1 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port Front I/O: 1 serial MPEG2 playback for full-screen, full-motion digital video Internet ready keyboard PS/2 Mouse with scroll wheel "E" Speakers Try a BIOS upgrade first, most older models needed this for XP compatibility. If you need further support, call the support # for your country. I believe the 8637 is an Asian/Pacific model.


On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm, Jo wrote:
>Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
>is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
>it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
>PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
>asks to disable catching or shadowing
>
>STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
>beginning to dump physical files.
>this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet cause
>I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
>model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
>too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
>to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the guts
>out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
>
>

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well, A couple things. First of all, from your description, it sounds a lot like my pc, a pavilion 8765C. I have had similar problems, although not to the extent it sounds like you are experiencing. Try hitting F1 at the logo screen, this is the way mine is. Unfortunately, if you have the same system as me, the bios setup is not overly helpful. I have yet to find any shadowing options, and is really only useful for configuring drives. Also, no updates, and virtually impossible to get any info on mobo or bios version. It's some award bios, but seems to be a piece of crap and I have yet to find any updates. Anyway, try F1, and hope you don't have the same bios as me. I know my system is very sketchy when it comes to USB also, I can't even keep my wireless intellimouse explorer plugged in at startup or the system won't even boot. This could also be causing your issue, as you mentioned that USB hub.


On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm, Jo wrote:
>Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
>is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
>it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
>PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
>asks to disable catching or shadowing
>
>STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
>beginning to dump physical files.
>this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet cause
>I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
>model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
>too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
>to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the guts
>out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
>
>

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Hi Casey sounds like you need a BIOS upgrade so you will have to note all those numbers that one of the previos respones suggested but first you might try pulling the sides off your case and blowing a house fan right into the case HP computers are cramed into a tiny little case and allthought they have fancy little shrouds there not all that efficient I had similar problems with HP and sugested to people to get a new bigger case or more fans for the origanal case but theres not much ROOM good luck DAN AKA Dr Gigabyte


On Sunday, May 19, 2002 at 10:20 am, Casey wrote:
>Hi , the standard for getting into an HP Bios setup is to press "F2" at the HP splash
>screen on bootup. Some rare models may vary from this but i've never seen one. Case
>
>

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i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you are having ...usually caused by running win media player. files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed un/reinstalled over 12 times...also... new CMOS battery all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous RAM (4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB of RAM..but that was the old ram) i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still no go... haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.


On Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:21 am, Dan Archer wrote:
>
>
>Hi Casey sounds like you need a BIOS upgrade so you will have to note all those numbers
>that one of the previos respones suggested but first you might try pulling the sides
>off your case and blowing a house fan right into the case HP computers are cramed
>into a tiny little case and allthought they have fancy little shrouds there not all
>that efficient I had similar problems with HP and sugested to people to get a new
>bigger case or more fans for the origanal case but theres not much ROOM good luck
>DAN AKA Dr Gigabyte
>

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I am having identical problem, from your description. Nearly continuous BSD with varying error messages indicating mcafee files or system files (eg:nabtsfec.sys,win32ksys). I've also received messages without a file specified as in "PFN_LIST_CORRUPT" "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA" and a couple of others. The most recent novelty is the BSD accompanied with the startup sound skipping like a scratched record. I updated my Mcafee virus def files to no apparent effect. I'd really like to avoid a complete reformat, so any help would be appreciated. The only recent changes to the system was the installation of DNSKong and Folding@Home -- both of which I have disabled to no avail. I have restored system files and the problem reappears after a couple of hours. I have replaced the entire xp and docs/settings directories with older versions and the problems reappear within a few hours. The system is an AMD VIA chipset, 512 meg ram, WinXP Home, FAT32,Creative Live!Drive Sound, ATI All-in-Wonder Rage 128. It is multi-boot XP/Win98 with no indication of problems in Win98 on the same machine. If there are other details I can provide to assist with diagnosing, please let me know. I'm at my wits end. Harper


On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am, things_that_suck wrote:
>i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you are
>having ...usually caused by running win media player.
>
>files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
>
>un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
>
>new CMOS battery
>all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous RAM
>(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
>shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
>was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB of
>RAM..but that was the old ram)
>
>i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
>no go...
>
>haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
>

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Good tips. I am having a similar problem with a 900 mghz Blaster PC from Tiger Direct. I have two 128 meg chips in it, so that might be my problem. But would XP be more sensitive to that than 98SE? I upgraded and don't remember any random hanging or freezing under 98. One more question: under 98, you could reinstall ontop of the existing install and repair missing or corrupted files without losing any of your data or program files. Can you do this with XP? And finally, is there any easy way to repair problems with the registry in XP? Thanks


On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am, things_that_suck wrote:
>i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you are
>having ...usually caused by running win media player.
>
>files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
>
>un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
>
>new CMOS battery
>all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous RAM
>(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
>shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
>was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB of
>RAM..but that was the old ram)
>
>i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
>no go...
>
>haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
>

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Don't even bother calling HP for tech support. I tried... got hung up on twice today and then after trying online chat I was told to format and start over. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm suspicious that this problem is an XP and an processor problem. I have an HP laptop w AMD processor... work pc, not my choice. I got the same blue screen page-invalid error messages, downloaded Microsoft updates, today a lock up and CRASH. I can't boot at all. Error says unmoutable_boot_device. I doubt it. I'm trying the BIOS update tomorrow. As far as a reload of XP, yes you can repair.


On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 10:47 am, Brad wrote:
>Good tips. I am having a similar problem with a 900 mghz Blaster PC from Tiger Direct.
> I have two 128 meg chips in it, so that might be my problem. But would XP be more
>sensitive to that than 98SE? I upgraded and don't remember any random hanging or
>freezing under 98.
>
>One more question: under 98, you could reinstall ontop of the existing install and
>repair missing or corrupted files without losing any of your data or program files.
> Can you do this with XP?
>
>And finally, is there any easy way to repair problems with the registry in XP?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>

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I was experiencing the same PAGE_FAULT error while reinstalling xp (due to intermittent resets). I narrowed it down to the internal cache on the CPU (AMD Athlon 1700). I disabled the internal cache in BIOS and was able to complete the xp setup (it took a long time though). After the setup was complete I installed a salvaged Athlon 700 and it runs as great as a 700Mhz CPU will. I wrote AMD yesterday and am waiting (not holding my breath) for a response.


On Monday, July 22, 2002 at 7:30 pm, RA_23 wrote:
>The 8637 is an HP Pavilion OOW model.
>
>Original configuration shows that this model was made to run Windows 98.
>
>The configuration is as follows:
>Pandora-U motherboard
>AMD Athlon™, 750 MHz (slot A)
>AMD Irongate Chipset
>128 MB SDRAM, 100 MHz (expandable to 512 MB)
>20.4 GB hard drive
>L1 Cache - 128KB Core Speed
>L2 Cache - 512KB backside/Half Core Speed
>CD-RW Rewritable Drive
>TNT2 Pro Graphics card with 16 Mbytes video memory (uses
>AGP slot)
>V.90 56 Kbps modem (56 Kbps data / 14.4 Kbps fax)
>Expansion slots: 5 PCI slots; 0 ISA slots; 1 AGP slot
>External ports: 2 USB; 1 serial; 1 parallel; 1 game port
>Front I/O: 1 serial
>MPEG2 playback for full-screen, full-motion digital video
>Internet ready keyboard
>PS/2 Mouse with scroll wheel
>"E" Speakers
>
>Try a BIOS upgrade first, most older models needed this for XP compatibility.
>
>If you need further support, call the support # for your country. I believe the 8637
>is an Asian/Pacific model.
>

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I hope I'm not duplicating this response but as a service technician, I have yet to see anything larger than a 200 Watt power supply in a Hewlett Packard machine. In fact some of them have as little as 145 watts! I'd physically examine the power supply and see what rating it REALLY is....


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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microsoft also has a registry restore bat file on thier website to make reg fixes easier, as far as the rest of these bsod errors i havent found them to have a clue unless your willing to pay 35 bux an hour..and im a system builder selling thier products, am thinking its time to invest some time and effort into linux.


On Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 5:07 pm, TM wrote:
>Don't even bother calling HP for tech support. I tried... got hung up on twice today
>and then after trying online chat I was told to format and start over. I don't know
>about everyone else, but I'm suspicious that this problem is an XP and an processor
>problem. I have an HP laptop w AMD processor... work pc, not my choice. I got the
>same blue screen page-invalid error messages, downloaded Microsoft updates, today
>a lock up and CRASH. I can't boot at all. Error says unmoutable_boot_device. I
>doubt it. I'm trying the BIOS update tomorrow. As far as a reload of XP, yes you
>can repair.
>
>

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I've been having a problem that sounds very similar to the rest of the messages. I have a gigabyte 8st667-l motherboard, intel p4 2.4 ghz, 512 mb ram, ati radeon 7500 graphic card win xp home. I was having these problems (random crashes, fatal errors, "memory could not be read" errors with games, random computer restarts) I updated all my drivers, same problems. Then I updated the bios fixed my problems. A week ago I bought a logitech cordless mouse. it froze up my machine and then I couldn't reboot the computer. It would start to boot but then stay stuck on the welcome screen. I formatted and started over (stuck on welcome screen) I cleared the cmos, disabled the usb ports and was able to use xp. Now I am back to square one though. I have all the updated drivers, bios is the newest, back to the same crashes at very expected times (30-40 minutes after starting applications) I am ready to destroy this computer!!!! if anyone has any ideas on how to fix or bring pain to this thing let me know.

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I've been having the same problems. I have the same problems in two PCs and I've realized that if i slow down the speed of your memory for example from DDR 166 to DDR133 i don't have this problems anymore. So I guess it's a memory management problem with windows

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I fixed my problem. The motherboard had a tiny crack on the backside just behind the agp slot. I checked the spacers and the ones gigabyte shipped with the m-board were slightly different sizes. I think what happened was that pushing in the video card messed up the board at the crack or perhaps somewhere else. I think the overall problem with win xp and 2000 though is that its error messages are pointless, not just to lay users, but also to the 'highly experienced support staff.' They didn't have any idea what the error numbers meant. not that it was a windows problem, but . . . makes me want to use linux again, at least I wasn't supporting some huge hulking corporate monster, even if their products are slick.


On Monday, May 12, 2003 at 2:02 pm, fautralo wrote:
>I've been having the same problems. I have the same problems in two PCs and I've
>realized that if i slow down the speed of your memory for example from DDR 166 to
>DDR133 i don't have this problems anymore. So I guess it's a memory management problem
>with windows

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Dear All,

I also have an XP system that randonly blue screens, the system was built by myself 
from brand new XP and AMD comlpiant bits.
340 watt PSU
2 * 256mb PC2700 DDR PC333 Memory
Gigabyte Motherboard  (GA7VX-P KT400)
AMD 2400 XP Processor
8x AGP Video Card MSI/FX5200TDR/128MB
CPU Temp 50's - System Temp 30's


I noticed the comment on the Gigabyte board, I also have one of these

Im now wondering if it is a ram issue or a bust motherboard?

Regards

Stressed Mike ...
http://www.bollx.com





On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 9:12 am, thom blaylock wrote:
>I fixed my problem.  The motherboard had a tiny crack on the backside just behind 
>the agp slot.  I checked the spacers and the ones gigabyte shipped with the m-board 
>were slightly different sizes.  I think what happened was that pushing in the video 
>card messed up the board at the crack or perhaps somewhere else.  
>
>I think the overall problem with win xp and 2000 though is that its error messages 
>are pointless, not just to lay users, but also to the 'highly experienced support 
>staff.'  They didn't have any idea what the error numbers meant.  not that it was 
>a windows problem, but . . .   makes me want to use linux again, at least I wasn't 
>supporting some huge hulking corporate monster, even if their products are slick.
>
>

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Mike, I suggest: back up your very important documents and files. HD partitions and burned cd's are great for this 1) download most recent bios and flash it. the gigabyte utility is pretty good for this 2) trade out and test ram (if you've got more than one) also test the different ram slots If it still doesn't work: 3) take apart and reassemble the computer. careful to be grounded and visually check all parts even spacers. I actually found a small hair-sized crack about four inches long on the back side of the board. put in only the m-board, ram and video card. reload win, format, reload windows. 4)if this still is the problem, chances are it is the mother board. don't waste a ton of time on this. I spent two and a half months of free time and it gets really depressing. good luck.


On Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 4:08 am, Mike wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>I also have an XP system that randonly blue screens, the system was built by myself 
>from brand new XP and AMD comlpiant bits.
>340 watt PSU
>2 * 256mb PC2700 DDR PC333 Memory
>Gigabyte Motherboard  (GA7VX-P KT400)
>AMD 2400 XP Processor
>8x AGP Video Card MSI/FX5200TDR/128MB
>CPU Temp 50's - System Temp 30's
>
>
>I noticed the comment on the Gigabyte board, I also have one of these
>
>Im now wondering if it is a ram issue or a bust motherboard?
>
>Regards
>
>Stressed Mike ...
>http://www.bollx.com
>

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It sure does get depressing im still suffering with this problem 6months on .. Ive tried EVERYTHING thats been sugested here bar none. Thinking of giving it up and reverting back to win 98 does anyone know if this problem will still persist in win98?? thanks

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don't get depressed by this thing Aimless. Have you taken the computer in to have the hardware checked. Check out my last message outlining my checklist of things to do. figure out how much your time is worth to you, and if you've spent too much time on the computer bite the bullet and buy a computer made by someone near by. There are places near me selling near top of the line p-4's with windows preinstalled, drivers working etc. It is a fun hobby making a computer, but I think if I had it to do over again, I'd have just bought one. I wasted 90% of my freetime for 4 months only to find out there was nothing I was doing wrong, the m-board was broken. hang in there, and ignore the computer for a week or so. These things are a bit like angry lovers.


On Monday, June 2, 2003 at 10:45 am, Aimless wrote:
>It sure does get depressing im still suffering with this problem 6months on .. Ive
>tried EVERYTHING thats been sugested here bar none.
>
>Thinking of giving it up and reverting back to win 98 does anyone know if this problem
>will still persist in win98?? thanks

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I am just assuming this is a windows issue. My machine was running flawless tell I decided to add some stuff into it. Currently running soyo dragon plus mobo, 512mb pc2100 cruciel ram, ati all in wonder, raid 0 2x80gig array. I have the latest bios available, I have downloaded all the newest drivers and I have all the latest updates from windows. I have even rebuilt the system twice and reloaded xp once. I also replaced my power supply with a raidmax 500w piece. I was getting random reboots and figured it was the ps but that didn't fix it. Now that I have reloaded xp I don't seem to have the random reboots but at night when my virus scan runs it seems to cause some trouble with memory. I always wake up to a PAGE_FAULT error. Even if I am to run the virus software during the day it comes up with the same PAGE_FAULT error but it always seems to say a different file. I have another stick of ram sitting here that I have yet to try but I think that will be my next course of action. I am wondering if this is a problem with AMD and microsoft.

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Hi guys,
I also have random crashes. Whenever KaZaA finishes a file, the system crashes to 
a BSOD saying PFN_LIST_CORRUPT. I checked the MS website (MSDN) and they suggest 
it's a driver issue. I can't think why.

I'm running XP Pro SP1 on:
MSI KT3 Ultra ARU,
AMD Athlon XP 2100+ underclocked to 1500+ speed,
512mb PC3200 Corsair memory (running at 333),
Thermalright SLK800  CPU heatsink,
Gainward GeForce 4 Ultra 650 GS XP (GF4 MX 460, 64mb DDR),
Audigy 2 Platinum,
550W PSU,
Pioneer DVD-117 (16x DVD),
LiteOn LTR-52246S (52x24x52x CDRW),
120Gb Western Digital Caviar Special Edition HD (8mb cache),
120Gb Seagate Barracuda V HD (2mb cache, silent),
Lian-Li PC65,
Zalman Fan-Mates all round on all case fans, and northbridge fan (nb is currently 
at full speed).

Thanks,
Simon






On Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 4:08 am, Mike wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I also have an XP system that randonly blue screens, the system was built by myself 
>from brand new XP and AMD comlpiant bits.
>340 watt PSU
>2 * 256mb PC2700 DDR PC333 Memory
>Gigabyte Motherboard  (GA7VX-P KT400)
>AMD 2400 XP Processor
>8x AGP Video Card MSI/FX5200TDR/128MB
>CPU Temp 50's - System Temp 30's
>
>
>I noticed the comment on the Gigabyte board, I also have one of these
>
>Im now wondering if it is a ram issue or a bust motherboard?
>
>Regards
>
>Stressed Mike ...
>http://www.bollx.com
>



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My BSOD problems turned out to be cheap PC2700 memory I have coughed up the extra 
££ and purchased Corsair memory. It seems to be ok now (I hope).

Regards

Mike ...
http://www.bollx.com






On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 3:17 am, Simon VdV wrote:
>Hi guys,
>I also have random crashes. Whenever KaZaA finishes a file, the system crashes to 
>a BSOD saying PFN_LIST_CORRUPT. I checked the MS website (MSDN) and they suggest 
>it's a driver issue. I can't think why.
>
>I'm running XP Pro SP1 on:
>MSI KT3 Ultra ARU,
>AMD Athlon XP 2100+ underclocked to 1500+ speed,
>512mb PC3200 Corsair memory (running at 333),
>Thermalright SLK800  CPU heatsink,
>Gainward GeForce 4 Ultra 650 GS XP (GF4 MX 460, 64mb DDR),
>Audigy 2 Platinum,
>550W PSU,
>Pioneer DVD-117 (16x DVD),
>LiteOn LTR-52246S (52x24x52x CDRW),
>120Gb Western Digital Caviar Special Edition HD (8mb cache),
>120Gb Seagate Barracuda V HD (2mb cache, silent),
>Lian-Li PC65,
>Zalman Fan-Mates all round on all case fans, and northbridge fan (nb is currently 
>at full speed).
>
>Thanks,
>Simon
>
>



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Hello; I had this same isse with a PC. The PC was very dusty inside and the AMD processor heatsink was covered enough as to not let enough air through. So it seems the processor was getting too hot and causing WinXP to do a 'PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA'. After blowing out the system, the system seems to work very well now.


On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 3:34 am, Mike wrote:

>
>My BSOD problems turned out to be cheap PC2700 memory I have coughed up the extra 
>££ and purchased Corsair memory. It seems to be ok now (I hope).
>
>Regards
>
>Mike ...
>http://www.bollx.com
>
>

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I was reusing an old heat sink (and fan) for building up an MSI motherboard. Since the phase change thermal pad on the AMD Athlon heatsink is single use, I had to remove the old thermal pad and replace it with a new one. The new thermal pad must be applied evenly, without lumps or voids. Any lumps or voids in the thermal pad will cause hot spots on the processor die, which will increase the likelihood of instability and processor damage. The motherboard’s temperature sensor will not detect these hotspots because the sensor is on the opposite side of the processor package from the heat-producing die. Here’s what I did: First, I marked the location of the old thermal pad. Then I scraped off most of the old thermal pad using a wooden ‘popsicle’ stick to avoid scratching the soft aluminum heatsink (a plastic knife would also work). Then I removed the remaining residue of the old thermal pad with a petroleum solvent. I rinsed away the petroleum residue with electronic contact cleaner. I selected a 0.2mm thick Boron Nitride thermal pad with a thermal resistance of 0.03degC/W for the new AMD processor. The new thermal pad came packaged between two plastic (Mylar) sheets. I warmed the heat sink before applying the new thermal pad to assist in adhesion. Remove the plastic sheet from one side of the new thermal pad and apply it to the warm heat sink using gentle pressure. There can’t be any air bubbles. The plastic sheet on the other side of thermal pad may tend to stick and not release cleanly, which causes lumps and voids in the thermal pad rendering it unusable. To avoid this problem, chill the heat-sink in the freezer before attempting to remove the plastic sheet from the processor side of the new thermal pad. This process should yield a smooth thermal pad without lumps or voids for maximum heat transfer from the processor, without hotspots and thermal-induced processor instability.


On Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 8:57 pm, JG wrote:
>Hello;
>
>I had this same isse with a PC. The PC was very dusty inside and the AMD processor
>heatsink was covered enough as to not let enough air through. So it seems the processor
>was getting too hot and causing WinXP to do a 'PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA'. After
>blowing out the system, the system seems to work very well now.
>
>

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I have WinXP SP1, AMD Athlon XP, and 3 DDR Rams, 2 identical ones of 256mb, and 1 extra one of 512mb. At first it was crashing a lot, so I went to BIOS and set the CAS Latency from auto detect to 2.5. Then recently I've started to get these blue screens of page faults again, so I fixed by upgrading my BIOS, though the BIOS didnt say it fixes any memory bugs, but all I know is that was the only fix I did and it works fine now.


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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If you have a Win9X Startup Disc or CD at hand (I cannot confirm anything that follows, if you are using a 2000 or XP CD), set your machine to boot off the cd if it won't boot normally. Essentially what I am suggesting is booting into 'Safe Mode' which by default automatically checks your 'hardware' memory and will report any faults. No third party software is required for this, although I sure there is plenty of free & shareware out there that would do the job. I hope this may be of some help to you. Good Luck & Regards Gary


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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My win XP pro system used to crash with a win32k.sys error. The cause has turned out to be that my dram command rate was set at T1. Setting it to T2 for more time after the Via "chip select" fixed the problem. This is a bios change.


On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 1:04 am, things_that_suck wrote:
>i am running (...errr...crashing rather) a server and having the same probs you are
>having ...usually caused by running win media player.
>
>files: win32k.sys and ntfs.sys or antivirus soft/device driver is blamed
>
>un/reinstalled over 12 times...also...
>
>new CMOS battery
>all RAM is identical and sanctioned by supermicro...MB provider...with previous RAM
>(4GB total) i couldn't even install XP...now i can install but system is unstable...disabled
>shadow/caching...no go....i am currently in contact w/MS tech about this issue...i
>was running redhat 7.2 before w/minimal probs (system only saw 512MB of the 4GB of
>RAM..but that was the old ram)
>
>i also updated NVIDIA driver and installed all recommended drivers from MS....still
>no go...
>
>haven't upgraded the bios...supermicro tech said that it shouldn't be neccessary.
>

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very similar situation and similar specs - new system - have reinstalled xp 3 times - to no avail - it might be amd, it might be ram - thiis is a computer from a client of mine - I have installed xp on various systems at least a dozen times - all satisfied customers - no bsds like this one (PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA) - unfortunately, the mom is pc ignorant and the main user is a 17yr old guy that seems to think computers are flawless and if there are any errors, it must be the tech's fault (hehe, if only the world was this simple) - of all the clients I have this is the last one I want this to happen to for the simple fact that they do not and refuse to understand that I did not create all the components nor write the os - I am inclined to give them my pc to appease them LOL - barring that, any info would be great but if it is any consolation, none of you are alone. Going to check the ram and will keep you informed to see if it works.


On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 2:30 pm, Harper Stone wrote:
>I am having identical problem, from your description. Nearly continuous BSD with
>varying error messages indicating mcafee files or system files (eg:nabtsfec.sys,win32ksys).
> I've also received messages without a file specified as in "PFN_LIST_CORRUPT" "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA"
>and a couple of others. The most recent novelty is the BSD accompanied with the
>startup sound skipping like a scratched record. I updated my Mcafee virus def files
>to no apparent effect.
>
>I'd really like to avoid a complete reformat, so any help would be appreciated.
>
>The only recent changes to the system was the installation of DNSKong and Folding@Home
>-- both of which I have disabled to no avail.
>
>I have restored system files and the problem reappears after a couple of hours. I
>have replaced the entire xp and docs/settings directories with older versions and
>the problems reappear within a few hours.
>
>The system is an AMD VIA chipset, 512 meg ram, WinXP Home, FAT32,Creative Live!Drive
>Sound, ATI All-in-Wonder Rage 128. It is multi-boot XP/Win98 with no indication of
>problems in Win98 on the same machine.
>
>If there are other details I can provide to assist with diagnosing, please let me
>know. I'm at my wits end.
>
>Harper
>

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to add to my previous post - my one yr old pc is also an amd with NONE of these problems and a smaller power supply (unlike the new pc with the constant bsd of PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA-) how many of you have dial-up and how many have broadband? (dsl and cable)


On Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 10:41 pm, thom blaylock wrote:
>I've been having a problem that sounds very similar to the rest of the messages.
> I have a gigabyte 8st667-l motherboard, intel p4 2.4 ghz, 512 mb ram, ati radeon
>7500 graphic card win xp home. I was having these problems (random crashes, fatal
>errors, "memory could not be read" errors with games, random computer restarts)
>I updated all my drivers, same problems. Then I updated the bios fixed my problems.
> A week ago I bought a logitech cordless mouse. it froze up my machine and then
>I couldn't reboot the computer. It would start to boot but then stay stuck on the
>welcome screen. I formatted and started over (stuck on welcome screen) I cleared
>the cmos, disabled the usb ports and was able to use xp.
>
>Now I am back to square one though. I have all the updated drivers, bios is the
>newest, back to the same crashes at very expected times (30-40 minutes after starting
>applications) I am ready to destroy this computer!!!!
>
>if anyone has any ideas on how to fix or bring pain to this thing let me know.

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I could never see myself buying a "name brand" computer every again, I just built myself a decent XP2400 machine for under $500 and I can upgrade whenever i feel like it.


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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Hello This may sound really silly but I am having crashes all the time and want to try your suggestion of upgrading the B10S, how do I go about doing this?? Hope you can help :) Thanks Trent


On Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:21 am, Dan Archer wrote:
>
>
>Hi Casey sounds like you need a BIOS upgrade so you will have to note all those numbers
>that one of the previos respones suggested but first you might try pulling the sides
>off your case and blowing a house fan right into the case HP computers are cramed
>into a tiny little case and allthought they have fancy little shrouds there not all
>that efficient I had similar problems with HP and sugested to people to get a new
>bigger case or more fans for the origanal case but theres not much ROOM good luck
>DAN AKA Dr Gigabyte
>

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I found a solution to _my_ unexpeced reboots: ...I moved my USB hub card one more slot away from the (empty) AGP slot ... That's the bottom line. Here's the story if you'er interested. MOBO: GA-7VKML w/integrated Video, Sound, and NIC. Only added card is a USB (PCI) bus in slot nearest AGP slot (unpopulated). 512 MB (2@256MB) mixed brand RAM. I've been having daily unexpected reboots for about a year, sometimes a dozen a day. I had them with Win98, then recently, with WinXP Pro (clean install) on same box as had Win98. I turned off the auto-reboot-on stop-error, so I've been able to see the various error causing the reboots. The messages referred to "WIN32K.SYS", "S3GNB.DLL", "PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA", and "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL". Maybe others that I didn't write down... If I let Windows report the error to Microsoft and analize it, Microsoft would give me the useless report saying that there was some _unspecified_ "driver problem" (MS excells at worthless "help".) I updated ALL my drivers, OS, programs, etc. I also uninstalled Zone Alarm firewall, having read several reports of potential compatability problems (Hate XP firewall). By the way, I checked my IRQs and none of them are shared. Still geting lots of the same errors! 'Bout this time I'm looking for a trash can big enough to dump my PC! -so now I'm thinking maybe incompatable video card or bad ram... Finally I found a thread here in Annoyances.org suggesting that if a Sound card is in PCI slot nearest AGP slot, sound and video would 'certainly' share resources/IRQ and likely create the sort of problems I've been having. ************************* In desperation, I moved my USB hub card one more slot away from the (empty) AGP slot and reversed my two RAM sricks. It's been a week now and NO reboots! NOT ONE. I think the solution was moving the card. The fix looks real and I'm a happy dog. I hope my experience will help somebody else. Regards, Hockey_Dad


On Monday, May 20, 2002 at 9:43 pm, Jo wrote:
>Your suggestion sounds good except I cannot get into the bios the way you described,
>is there any other way, with the errors I get the blue death screen as as per norm
>it asks me to check everything from software to hardware, technical error as follows
>PAGE-FAULT-IN-NONPAGED-AREA
>asks to disable catching or shadowing
>
>STOP: ox00000050 (0xCOFF824C,0X00000001,0X804EB84A,0X00000000)
>beginning to dump physical files.
>this to me is jargen. My HP model is 8637. I can't tell you BIOS details as yet cause
>I can't seem to get into them. I've download some BIOS updates from HP for a different
>model, that came a few month after mine so I figure they couldn't have changed it
>too much and if I can get into BIOS should I try to up grade that way, as I need
>to run XP for my broad band to work so I have to try anything, even ripping the guts
>out of this thing and starting again, should be cheeper than a new pc.
>
>

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Just another guy rambling about the same problem.... I was experiencing the same 
bsod problems that most of you here have or were experiencing, which led me here 
to figure out what I needed to do to fix it.. I was getting page fault in nonpaged 
area errors, irq not less or equal, usb_hub.sys error, win32k.sys, bad_pool_caller, 
you name it.... I did notice earlier that my usb ports and nic were using the same 
IRQ (10,  evidently shared with no conflicts) and that If I disabled one or the other 
in device manager the computer would instantly be more stable. This was a problem 
because I had A. no internet(that sucks) or B. no wireless keyboard/mouse (awww). 
But the problem was easier to fix than I thought, I just moved the nic card to the 
bottom slot and things were immediately stable. The nic is now on IRQ 11, the USB 
ports are on 10, and I haven't had a pc crash in at LEAST 10 minutes!! fantastic

btw I am running XPpro, AMD2100xp, soyo dragon lite, audigy 1 platinum, 512ddr, Geforce3 
64mb, and an old linksys nic (lne100txv4 i believe)

Check all your IRQ's in device manager to see if you have more than one device using 
the same IRQ. Even if it says there are no conflicts, try moving your pci cards around. 
Wow it's been 15 minutes now, this is awesome

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I think there may be an AMD problem going on here. I love AMD, but all of you that are reporting problems are using an AMD chip. The PC I'm on now is a P4 and has never had that problem. I really hope I am wrong because the next computer I will be building will be an AMD. Sorry I don't have any tips for you, others seemed to have contributed quite a bit already. Good luck with your systems. P.S. If you are having severe problems, I guess I could take your PC of your hands for you :). lol


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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Hi there..... I got the dreaded blue screen with the damn PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA,...... It occurs whenever i am trying too install a new software, even those that i managed to install in the past with my old pc (same HDD but with new motherboard, ram and cpu)..... Although the problem is not exactly similar to most of the problems here, but i would like to know if i should tackle this problem as suggested with gurus out there.... 1. chack ram and cpu 2. reslot/reposition the ram 3. update bios 4. another other method that i left out? thanks a million in advance....


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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I really don't think it's a AMD only problem. I'm more inclined to think it is one of Microsoft's updates that is causing this. I've been running the same setup for quite a while now and never experienced this problem until recently. I've done memtests, reformated etc. and still have the random reboots. All hardware seem to be checking out ok too. My last step is to change around the hardware config and see if that makes a difference.


On Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:55 am, Aydrian wrote:
>Hi there..... I got the dreaded blue screen with the damn PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA,......
>It occurs whenever i am trying too install a new software, even those that i managed
>to install in the past with my old pc (same HDD but with new motherboard, ram and
>cpu).....
>Although the problem is not exactly similar to most of the problems here, but i would
>like to know if i should tackle this problem as suggested with gurus out there....
>1. chack ram and cpu
>2. reslot/reposition the ram
>3. update bios
>4. another other method that i left out?
>
>thanks a million in advance....
>
>
>

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Hey,
I have an amd athlon xp 2800+ with 120gb hdd, 512 megs ram and geforce 4 mx 440 integrated 
gpu. i got it a few weeks ago and it cost a bundle (too bloody much). everything 
worked fine until one day it crashed(noooo). I started it up again and was mad as 
hell when the starting up screen came up but it wouldn't start. Now I can start it 
up but the blue screen of death comes up every bloody time i do something. I has 
errors like PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
and something about the memory. I have reinstalled xp and all of the drivers and 
it still won't work.
I know it might be something with the ram but i checked and there is nothing wrong 
it.
HELP.




 




On Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:55 am, Aydrian wrote:

>Hi there..... I got the dreaded blue screen with the damn PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA,......

>It occurs whenever i am trying too install a new software, even those that i managed 

>to install in the past with my old pc (same HDD but with new motherboard, ram and 

>cpu).....

>Although the problem is not exactly similar to most of the problems here, but i 
would 

>like to know if i should tackle this problem as suggested with gurus out there....

>1. chack ram and cpu

>2. reslot/reposition the ram

>3. update bios 

>4. another other method that i left out?

>

>thanks a million in advance....

>

>

> 

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Your motherboard may be too old for a broadband connection. You normally get problems such as fatal crashes with broadband on many computers that have pretty old motherboards. It may be time for a new computer...

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I also have that problem on a recently bought AMD sempron at 2200+ w/ 256 ram, ps at 300, 64 mb video... i thought first it was the windows updates, then a java controller not signed from Sun... I applied bios changes mentioned as 'spd' dram to 't2' and cpu from 166 mhz to 100 & currently 133... i'm testing it right now... please any insight would be of help...


On Saturday, May 18, 2002 at 4:11 am, Jo wrote:
>I get fatal crashes all the time I have taken out upgraded video card and tryed the
>ellimination method, however no luck so far. The only thing I can think of know is
>that I have a crappy Hewlett Packard. 128MB upgreded to 265MB, 16MB video card upgraded
>to 64MB. Running Broadband which I figure means that I have USB hub cause thats in
>my address. Is there anthing I can do. I reformatted my whole system and am running
>XP from new full version. Why might I still be getting all these problems. Itg does
>suggest looking in the BIOS to make sure shadowing and stuff is disabled, but I don't
>know how to do this. Can any one help me with this problem powersupply I gather is
>350w so I can't see that being an issue.
>

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Hi Scott, I have exactly the same problem but in a totally different system. Basically everything works without any problem if I disable internal cache. My system is a m571 mobo with a 6x86mx-pr200 processor, running w98se so very old. Well everthing works but half the speed compared to when I have internal cache but of course then it dies with the page fault. I wonder if you have found more info in the meantime that may give some clues too. Thanks Cem


On Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 5:22 pm, Scott wrote:
>I was experiencing the same PAGE_FAULT error while reinstalling xp (due to intermittent
>resets). I narrowed it down to the internal cache on the CPU (AMD Athlon 1700). I
>disabled the internal cache in BIOS and was able to complete the xp setup (it took
>a long time though). After the setup was complete I installed a salvaged Athlon 700
>and it runs as great as a 700Mhz CPU will. I wrote AMD yesterday and am waiting (not
>holding my breath) for a response.
>
>

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past few weks i had similar problem, i was getting the PAGE_FAULT, win32k.sys and something_LEQUAL bsod, now it seems i fixed my problem. i bought some cheapo 2*512 RAM recently, it worked ok for some time and then my problems appeared. i tried memtest86 and windows memory diagnostic, but no problems were found. then i also tried some memory tester which tests your memory under windows and many problems were found. so this is question of incompatibility imho and CORSAR or KINGMAX high quality memory would fix it. anyway, i switched to bios and disabled "RAM COMMAND CONTROL" (or something similar) and problems seem to be gone..

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Hi. I want to thank evereyone who provided me with a path to follow to get my HP Pavilion 8765C to finally work. I had crashes constantly with the orginal Windows ME and even more with XP Pro. My unit came standard with 128meg. From new also I added 256meg ram. From the suggestions here, I started moving and swapping the ram sticks. Bottom line is that my unit would not work at all with only the factory 128meg bank in, in any slot. I put only the aftermarket 256meg in a slot and fired up. Unit has been totally stable since. Best I can figure, the 256 was carrying the workload and the bad 128meg was there to muck up the works. I'll get an additional 256 stick to have 512meg and report back if any problems. I was told by armchair experts that bios was no good, mobo no good, power supply no good, etc... Check your memory before replacing any other stuff first! PS: Both cooling fans were dead. I cleaned out the case like new and installed 2 new color led fans. Unit stays cool and casts an even cooler color on the wall behind it now.


On Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 5:05 pm, Patrick wrote:
>
>well, A couple things. First of all, from your description, it sounds a lot like
>my pc, a pavilion 8765C. I have had similar problems, although not to the extent
>it sounds like you are experiencing. Try hitting F1 at the logo screen, this is the
>way mine is. Unfortunately, if you have the same system as me, the bios setup is
>not overly helpful. I have yet to find any shadowing options, and is really only
>useful for configuring drives. Also, no updates, and virtually impossible to get
>any info on mobo or bios version. It's some award bios, but seems to be a piece of
>crap and I have yet to find any updates. Anyway, try F1, and hope you don't have
>the same bios as me. I know my system is very sketchy when it comes to USB also,
>I can't even keep my wireless intellimouse explorer plugged in at startup or the
>system won't even boot. This could also be causing your issue, as you mentioned that
>USB hub.
>

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hey, thanks, man! that's just what i needed

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On Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 1:13 pm, ScientificProgrammer wrote:
>I was reusing an old heat sink (and fan) for building up an MSI motherboard. Since
>the phase change thermal pad on the AMD Athlon heatsink is single use, I had to remove
>the old thermal pad and replace it with a new one. The new thermal pad must be applied
>evenly, without lumps or voids. Any lumps or voids in the thermal pad will cause
>hot spots on the processor die, which will increase the likelihood of instability
>and processor damage. The motherboard’s temperature sensor will not detect
>these hotspots because the sensor is on the opposite side of the processor package
>from the heat-producing die. Here’s what I did: First, I marked the location
>of the old thermal pad. Then I scraped off most of the old thermal pad using a wooden
>‘popsicle’ stick to avoid scratching the soft aluminum heatsink (a plastic
>knife would also work). Then I removed the remaining residue of the old thermal
>pad with a petroleum solvent. I rinsed away the petroleum residue with electronic
>contact cleaner. I selected a 0.2mm thick Boron Nitride thermal pad with a thermal
>resistance of 0.03degC/W for the new AMD processor. The new thermal pad came packaged
>between two plastic (Mylar) sheets. I warmed the heat sink before applying the new
>thermal pad to assist in adhesion. Remove the plastic sheet from one side of the
>new thermal pad and apply it to the warm heat sink using gentle pressure. There
>can’t be any air bubbles. The plastic sheet on the other side of thermal pad
>may tend to stick and not release cleanly, which causes lumps and voids in the thermal
>pad rendering it unusable. To avoid this problem, chill the heat-sink in the freezer
>before attempting to remove the plastic sheet from the processor side of the new
>thermal pad. This process should yield a smooth thermal pad without lumps or voids
>for maximum heat transfer from the processor, without hotspots and thermal-induced
>processor instability.
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Got the same crap today, page fault, irql less..Maybe its my amd saying goodnight. All i did was removing the heatsink from the cpu, removing loads of dust, putting it back on and there it was. I cant even get into windows now. I have restarted 120 times, changing pcislots ++ checked ram now...nothing. This thread is over 2 years old and ms have got nothing..anyone/- where the hell has my questionmark gone..anyway im going crazy /

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Hi, I've been working through the recommendations here and seem to have pinned my problems down to the power supply. The original was 300W, which I think was probably adequate but I don't know for sure. At any rate, I replaced it with a new, bigger one and the machine seems to be stable now (only application crashes in the last three days, previously it was hanging in a matter of hours). Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, W.

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