I have a question about Top reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000:

Ok this is a question and sort of a reply as well to what I have been reading here esp. Shehan and Trev. I cannot run XP (XPiece of Shit) on my machine for more than 30min sometimes more if I am extremely lucky without a total lock up freeze. But thats not all... I have an AMD Athlon 1.0ghz with VIA kt133 and 256MB PNY PC133. I built the computer from a barebones kit Andara Tech 250watt PS, the Mobo, from the bios number since i dont have a good manual is made by GVC(I dare anyone to waste there time trying to find info on that one), ESS chipset modem 56k, Suncheer 12*10*32* CDRW, Logitec Scroll mouse(I thought for awhile it could be the mouse but still havenot tested). Anyway also Segate 30GB at 5200 and a IBM Deckstar 80GB at 7200. Also Pine GeForce2 MX200 64MB, on board audio coupled with a Korg 1212/io sound card for recording purposes. OK now the OSes. Windows 98Se, Win2000 Pro, WinXP and RedHat Linux 7.2. The multiboot system is set up properly all on own partition blah blah Ive set em up b4. Now with that said let me get to the point. It is not the memory, powersupply or cmos battery, the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!! never crashes ever(well ok once in a great while) ALL my drivers are up to date! The only OS that doesnt freeze is Win98 all others perform random freezing? You see the delema? How can one os on the same machine run smooth and others fail. By the way I put in a fresh formatted Segate drive and installed ONLY XP on it and it still froze this rules out the multiboot. If someone can explain to me that the other three OSes drain more power than I will go get a PS. If some one can explain to me that the OSes use Mem Modules differently then OK ect.... But please offer me some scientific explanation as to why these things occure I have been computing since 1983 starting with the beloved TRS80 and this is the WORST problem i have ever had. I dont even like XP and once the problem is solved i probably will remove it but i cant sleep you know!!! thanks all

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OK, this is just a bit of a guess and I would wait to see if anyone else replies but my feeling is with all that you have there a 250W power supply may be a little on the small side.

...Carl...

put a 450 wattP/S in and see what happens.


On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 9:31 am, Youtongfu wrote:
>I have a question about Top
>reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000:

>Ok this is a question and sort of a reply as well to what I have been reading here
>esp. Shehan and Trev. I cannot run XP (XPiece of Shit) on my machine for more than
>30min sometimes more if I am extremely lucky without a total lock up freeze. But
>thats not all... I have an AMD Athlon 1.0ghz with VIA kt133 and 256MB PNY PC133.
>I built the computer from a barebones kit Andara Tech 250watt PS, the Mobo, from
>the bios number since i dont have a good manual is made by GVC(I dare anyone to waste
>there time trying to find info on that one), ESS chipset modem 56k, Suncheer 12*10*32*
>CDRW, Logitec Scroll mouse(I thought for awhile it could be the mouse but still havenot
>tested). Anyway also Segate 30GB at 5200 and a IBM Deckstar 80GB at 7200. Also Pine
>GeForce2 MX200 64MB, on board audio coupled with a Korg 1212/io sound card for recording
>purposes. OK now the OSes. Windows 98Se, Win2000 Pro, WinXP and RedHat Linux 7.2.
>The multiboot system is set up properly all on own partition blah blah Ive set em
>up b4. Now with that said let me get to the point. It is not the memory, powersupply
>or cmos battery, the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!! never crashes ever(well
>ok once in a great while) ALL my drivers are up to date! The only OS that doesnt
>freeze is Win98 all others perform random freezing? You see the delema? How can one
>os on the same machine run smooth and others fail. By the way I put in a fresh formatted
>Segate drive and installed ONLY XP on it and it still froze this rules out the multiboot.
>If someone can explain to me that the other three OSes drain more power than I will
>go get a PS. If some one can explain to me that the OSes use Mem Modules differently
>then OK ect.... But please offer me some scientific explanation as to why these things
>occure I have been computing since 1983 starting with the beloved TRS80 and this
>is the WORST problem i have ever had. I dont even like XP and once the problem is
>solved i probably will remove it but i cant sleep you know!!! thanks all
>
>

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put an Amprobe on your downstream supply off the transformer and read....use Ohms Law to fiqure the wattage needed for your system.(look it up and plug in the numbers)


On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 9:31 am, Youtongfu wrote:
>I have a question about Top
>reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000:

>Ok this is a question and sort of a reply as well to what I have been reading here
>esp. Shehan and Trev. I cannot run XP (XPiece of Shit) on my machine for more than
>30min sometimes more if I am extremely lucky without a total lock up freeze. But
>thats not all... I have an AMD Athlon 1.0ghz with VIA kt133 and 256MB PNY PC133.
>I built the computer from a barebones kit Andara Tech 250watt PS, the Mobo, from
>the bios number since i dont have a good manual is made by GVC(I dare anyone to waste
>there time trying to find info on that one), ESS chipset modem 56k, Suncheer 12*10*32*
>CDRW, Logitec Scroll mouse(I thought for awhile it could be the mouse but still havenot
>tested). Anyway also Segate 30GB at 5200 and a IBM Deckstar 80GB at 7200. Also Pine
>GeForce2 MX200 64MB, on board audio coupled with a Korg 1212/io sound card for recording
>purposes. OK now the OSes. Windows 98Se, Win2000 Pro, WinXP and RedHat Linux 7.2.
>The multiboot system is set up properly all on own partition blah blah Ive set em
>up b4. Now with that said let me get to the point. It is not the memory, powersupply
>or cmos battery, the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!! never crashes ever(well
>ok once in a great while) ALL my drivers are up to date! The only OS that doesnt
>freeze is Win98 all others perform random freezing? You see the delema? How can one
>os on the same machine run smooth and others fail. By the way I put in a fresh formatted
>Segate drive and installed ONLY XP on it and it still froze this rules out the multiboot.
>If someone can explain to me that the other three OSes drain more power than I will
>go get a PS. If some one can explain to me that the OSes use Mem Modules differently
>then OK ect.... But please offer me some scientific explanation as to why these things
>occure I have been computing since 1983 starting with the beloved TRS80 and this
>is the WORST problem i have ever had. I dont even like XP and once the problem is
>solved i probably will remove it but i cant sleep you know!!! thanks all
>
>

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Yep - 350 W is the bare bones min...


On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 10:04 am, Carl D wrote:
>OK, this is just a bit of a guess and I would wait to see if anyone else replies
>but my feeling is with all that you have there a 250W power supply may be a little
>on the small side.

>

>color=#FF0000>...Carl...

Ok let`s assess  the info given , if as the guy who asked the question says, the 
machine runs almost without fault on Windows 98SE, which because of the limitation 
of this 16 bit DOS based operating system, does not support CPU idle cycle shutdown, 
unlike Win XP ,Win 2K,and possibly Linux ?,so that would mean a higher (CPU power 
requirement) on the PSU when running Win 98SE ,the PSU would therefore seem to me 
to be the last area to point the finger at as the cause of his problems  

Cheers HC 






On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 9:31 am, Youtongfu wrote:
>I have a question about Top 
>reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000:

>Ok this is a question and sort of a reply as well to what I have been reading here 
>esp. Shehan and Trev. I cannot run XP (XPiece of Shit) on my machine for more than 
>30min sometimes more if I am extremely lucky without a total lock up freeze. But 
>thats not all... I have an AMD Athlon 1.0ghz with VIA kt133 and 256MB PNY PC133. 
>I built the computer from a barebones kit Andara Tech 250watt PS, the Mobo, from 
>the bios number since i dont have a good manual is made by GVC(I dare anyone to 
waste 
>there time trying to find info on that one), ESS chipset modem 56k, Suncheer 12*10*32* 
>CDRW, Logitec Scroll mouse(I thought for awhile it could be the mouse but still 
havenot 
>tested). Anyway also Segate 30GB at 5200 and a IBM Deckstar 80GB at 7200. Also Pine 
>GeForce2 MX200 64MB, on board audio coupled with a Korg 1212/io sound card for recording 
>purposes. OK now the OSes. Windows 98Se, Win2000 Pro, WinXP and RedHat Linux 7.2. 
>The multiboot system is set up properly all on own partition blah blah Ive set em 
>up b4. Now with that said let me get to the point. It is not the memory, powersupply 
>or cmos battery, the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!! never crashes ever(well 
>ok once in a great while) ALL my drivers are up to date! The only OS that doesnt 
>freeze is Win98 all others perform random freezing? You see the delema? How can 
one 
>os on the same machine run smooth and others fail. By the way I put in a fresh formatted 
>Segate drive and installed ONLY XP on it and it still froze this rules out the multiboot. 
>If someone can explain to me that the other three OSes drain more power than I will 
>go get a PS. If some one can explain to me that the OSes use Mem Modules differently 
>then OK ect.... But please offer me some scientific explanation as to why these 
things 
>occure I have been computing since 1983 starting with the beloved TRS80 and this 
>is the WORST problem i have ever had. I dont even like XP and once the problem is 
>solved i probably will remove it but i cant sleep you know!!! thanks all
>
>

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You mentioned "it is not the memory... the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!!" Do not be misled. A RAM failure can be fatal to one operating system without being fatal to others which use a different memory layout. For example, I looked at the crash dumps from the system mentioned in http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/r1029856919. The system ran Win98SE and Linux, but crashed with WinXP. I thought for sure this would be a software problem, but it turned out to be bad RAM. If I had your system, I would definitely run a RAM exerciser like memtest86.

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Well I tried a new stick of memory and still no luck. I tested the Memory with Norton Utilities 2000 and the test failed several times in fact every time giving me a failure message at address 233865216 and other numbers in that area. Anyway then I tested the new stick which is a 256MB of Crucial and it also failed. OK is there somethin physically wrong w/ the MoBo OR.... I am sorry that I forgot to mension this and I hope it will ring a few bells. Checking the System Event Viewer Log I get this error message: AMLI: ACPI BIOS is attempting to read from an illegal IO port address (0xcfc), which lies in the 0xcf8 - 0xcff protected address range. This could lead to system instability. Please contact your system vendor for technical assistance. So I contacted some folks that sell BIOS upgrades and he seems to thing this will help for a wapping price of $70.00. Shouldnt I just get a new MoBo for that price or does anyone know where I can get a free upgrade, if this is even the problem. I am tired and running outta mony shotgunning this problem. Anyway I don't have an amprobe to test the downstream but I guess the next approach is a Bios upgrade then power supply then the trash can and build another one??? Thanks a real lot for all your valuable input it is much appreciated... For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.


On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 12:48 pm, VinceO wrote:
>You mentioned "it is not the memory... the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!!"
>Do not be misled. A RAM failure can be fatal to one operating system without being
>fatal to others which use a different memory layout. For example, I looked at the
>crash dumps from the system mentioned in http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/r1029856919.
>The system ran Win98SE and Linux, but crashed with WinXP. I thought for sure this
>would be a software problem, but it turned out to be bad RAM. If I had your system,
>I would definitely run a RAM exerciser like memtest86.
>
>

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First of all, I agree with your evaluation of XP. Responses had a lot of bad information concerning the power supply. Ohm's law won't help much with a power calculation. Watts = Voltage x Amps X PowerFactor. Using a Ammeter for current won't get the correct result unless it can reat total amps, including those in harmonics. With PCs the harmonic current load is high. Also Power is not accumulative, going into sleep mode doesn't save power, just decreases your bill. In any case the power users are the hard drives, cd and dvd drives along with the peripherals , optical mice, removable drives etc. The power consumtion of the computer chips is miniscule compared to the others. I would worry only if the problem occured when devices that only come on when needed interfered with the performance. BUT, all said a power supply is cheep.


On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 9:31 am, Youtongfu wrote:
>I have a question about Top
>reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000:

>Ok this is a question and sort of a reply as well to what I have been reading here
>esp. Shehan and Trev. I cannot run XP (XPiece of Shit) on my machine for more than
>30min sometimes more if I am extremely lucky without a total lock up freeze. But
>thats not all... I have an AMD Athlon 1.0ghz with VIA kt133 and 256MB PNY PC133.
>I built the computer from a barebones kit Andara Tech 250watt PS, the Mobo, from
>the bios number since i dont have a good manual is made by GVC(I dare anyone to waste
>there time trying to find info on that one), ESS chipset modem 56k, Suncheer 12*10*32*
>CDRW, Logitec Scroll mouse(I thought for awhile it could be the mouse but still havenot
>tested). Anyway also Segate 30GB at 5200 and a IBM Deckstar 80GB at 7200. Also Pine
>GeForce2 MX200 64MB, on board audio coupled with a Korg 1212/io sound card for recording
>purposes. OK now the OSes. Windows 98Se, Win2000 Pro, WinXP and RedHat Linux 7.2.
>The multiboot system is set up properly all on own partition blah blah Ive set em
>up b4. Now with that said let me get to the point. It is not the memory, powersupply
>or cmos battery, the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!! never crashes ever(well
>ok once in a great while) ALL my drivers are up to date! The only OS that doesnt
>freeze is Win98 all others perform random freezing? You see the delema? How can one
>os on the same machine run smooth and others fail. By the way I put in a fresh formatted
>Segate drive and installed ONLY XP on it and it still froze this rules out the multiboot.
>If someone can explain to me that the other three OSes drain more power than I will
>go get a PS. If some one can explain to me that the OSes use Mem Modules differently
>then OK ect.... But please offer me some scientific explanation as to why these things
>occure I have been computing since 1983 starting with the beloved TRS80 and this
>is the WORST problem i have ever had. I dont even like XP and once the problem is
>solved i probably will remove it but i cant sleep you know!!! thanks all
>
>

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The Korg 1212 card is not supported in Win2k, or XP, only 95/98. That could be a problem. Now as to why Korg dropped driver support on a product I paid $725 for, THAT'S annoying. Brian


On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 9:31 am, Youtongfu wrote:
>I have a question about Top
>reasons for random, fatal crashes in Windows XP and Windows 2000:

>Ok this is a question and sort of a reply as well to what I have been reading here
>esp. Shehan and Trev. I cannot run XP (XPiece of Shit) on my machine for more than
>30min sometimes more if I am extremely lucky without a total lock up freeze. But
>thats not all... I have an AMD Athlon 1.0ghz with VIA kt133 and 256MB PNY PC133.
>I built the computer from a barebones kit Andara Tech 250watt PS, the Mobo, from
>the bios number since i dont have a good manual is made by GVC(I dare anyone to waste
>there time trying to find info on that one), ESS chipset modem 56k, Suncheer 12*10*32*
>CDRW, Logitec Scroll mouse(I thought for awhile it could be the mouse but still havenot
>tested). Anyway also Segate 30GB at 5200 and a IBM Deckstar 80GB at 7200. Also Pine
>GeForce2 MX200 64MB, on board audio coupled with a Korg 1212/io sound card for recording
>purposes. OK now the OSes. Windows 98Se, Win2000 Pro, WinXP and RedHat Linux 7.2.
>The multiboot system is set up properly all on own partition blah blah Ive set em
>up b4. Now with that said let me get to the point. It is not the memory, powersupply
>or cmos battery, the reason is Win98 functions flawlessly!!! never crashes ever(well
>ok once in a great while) ALL my drivers are up to date! The only OS that doesnt
>freeze is Win98 all others perform random freezing? You see the delema? How can one
>os on the same machine run smooth and others fail. By the way I put in a fresh formatted
>Segate drive and installed ONLY XP on it and it still froze this rules out the multiboot.
>If someone can explain to me that the other three OSes drain more power than I will
>go get a PS. If some one can explain to me that the OSes use Mem Modules differently
>then OK ect.... But please offer me some scientific explanation as to why these things
>occure I have been computing since 1983 starting with the beloved TRS80 and this
>is the WORST problem i have ever had. I dont even like XP and once the problem is
>solved i probably will remove it but i cant sleep you know!!! thanks all
>
>

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Had the same problem with XP locking up. Win98 ran fine on the Pc. The problem was in the BIOS. Win98 does not do any power management. It lets the bios take care of it. With 2000 and XP (not sure about Linux) the OS controls power management and is conflicting with the older bios version. A BIOS upgrade solved the issue for me.


On Friday, August 30, 2002 at 10:27 am, Youtongfu wrote:
>Well I tried a new stick of memory and still no luck. I tested the Memory with Norton
>Utilities 2000 and the test failed several times in fact every time giving me a failure
>message at address 233865216 and other numbers in that area. Anyway then I tested
>the new stick which is a 256MB of Crucial and it also failed. OK is there somethin
>physically wrong w/ the MoBo OR.... I am sorry that I forgot to mension this and
>I hope it will ring a few bells. Checking the System Event Viewer Log I get this
>error message:
>
>AMLI: ACPI BIOS is attempting to read from an illegal IO port address (0xcfc), which
>lies in the 0xcf8 - 0xcff protected address range. This could lead to system instability.
>Please contact your system vendor for technical assistance.
>
>So I contacted some folks that sell BIOS upgrades and he seems to thing this will
>help for a wapping price of $70.00. Shouldnt I just get a new MoBo for that price
>or does anyone know where I can get a free upgrade, if this is even the problem.
>I am tired and running outta mony shotgunning this problem. Anyway I don't have an
>amprobe to test the downstream but I guess the next approach is a Bios upgrade then
>power supply then the trash can and build another one??? Thanks a real lot for all
>your valuable input it is much appreciated...
>
>For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>
>

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