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TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 8:34 am
Posted by hschmeath (2 messages posted)

Hey Guys ... I somehow downloaded a trojan or virus on my computer and regardless of whether my virus protector picks it up, it won't go away. Here are the circumstances ... yesterday I was surfing for a research paper and "not so nice" web site came up on my search and when I clicked on it, this program downloaded itself to my computer. What it does it change my homepage to "about:blank" and there is this really annoying popup that drives me crazy. It has slown my computer down by leaps and bounds. It's really annoying, so I came here. No matter how many times I change my homepage, it keeps changing it back to "about:blank" and this special "search for" thing pops up as the homepage. Does anyone have any suggestions that would help?

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Tip: Run a free scan for common Windows errors ad

re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 9:13 am
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

Download, install, UPDATE, and run:
    Ad-Aware 6.0
    Spybot Search & Destroy 
    SpywareGuard
    Spyware Blaster
(Make sure to use the update feature of these programs often.)


Download UPDATE and run:
    CWShredder


It is important to run ALL of these programs, as each do something different.
    

Before running these, do the following:

Delete temp internet files and history.


Disable system Restore.

When finished, 
Turn system Restore back on.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 9:45 am
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Download HjackThis
Scan
Save Log
Post log to your message

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 10:05 am
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

If he runs the tools I suggested, and cleans his system, there is no need to post 
the HJ log.  

If, AFTER he follows these step, the problem remains, THEN post the log.

In other words, don't post it until you have tried all steps to clean up the puter.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 10:06 am
Posted by hschmeath (2 messages posted)

Here is my HijackThis log!

Logfile of HijackThis v1.97.7
Scan saved at 12:02:57 PM, on 5/2/2004
Platform: Windows XP  (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2600.0000)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTsvcCDA.exe
C:\Program Files\Symantec_Client_Security\Symantec AntiVirus\DefWatch.exe
C:\Program Files\Symantec_Client_Security\Symantec AntiVirus\Rtvscan.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\MsPMSPSv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Roxio\Easy CD Creator 5\DirectCD\DirectCD.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe
C:\Program Files\Dell\Support\Alert\bin\DAMon.exe
C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\SYMANT~1\SYMANT~1\vptray.exe
C:\Program Files\Digital Line Detect\DLG.exe
C:\Program Files\WinZip\WZQKPICK.EXE
C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\Diagnostics\diagent.exe
C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-aware 6\Ad-aware.exe
C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgmain.exe
C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgbhp.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Heath\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\4BKGDAQZ\HijackThis[1].exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html 
(obfuscated)
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html 
(obfuscated)
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://login.yahoo.com/
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://smbusiness.dellnet.com/
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html 
(obfuscated)
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html 
(obfuscated)
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html 
(obfuscated)
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html 
(obfuscated)
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,HomeOldSP = about:blank
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 
5.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.ocx
O2 - BHO: SpywareGuard Download Protection - {4A368E80-174F-4872-96B5-0B27DDD11DB2} 
- C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\dlprotect.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {4E7BD74F-2B8D-469E-C0FF-FD60B590A87D} - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Real\Toolbar\realbar.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {CCCE1683-C924-49E9-8EA0-14D4522A6C44} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll
O3 - Toolbar: REALBAR - {4E7BD74F-2B8D-469E-C0FF-FD60B590A87D} - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Real\Toolbar\realbar.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\System32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [diagent] "C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\Diagnostics\diagent.exe" 
startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AdaptecDirectCD] "C:\Program Files\Roxio\Easy CD Creator 5\DirectCD\DirectCD.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe 
-osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Dell|Alert] C:\Program Files\Dell\Support\Alert\bin\DAMon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SpyHunter] C:\Program Files\SpyHunter\SpyHunter.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BearShare] "C:\Program Files\BearShare\BearShare.exe" /pause
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [vptray] C:\PROGRA~1\SYMANT~1\SYMANT~1\vptray.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - Startup: SpywareGuard.lnk = C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgmain.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Gamma Loader.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe 
Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Digital Line Detect.lnk = ?
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: WinZip Quick Pick.lnk = C:\Program Files\WinZip\WZQKPICK.EXE
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office10\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: AIM (HKLM)
O9 - Extra button: Messenger (HKLM)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger (HKLM)
O16 - DPF: Yahoo! Chat - http://us.chat1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/chat/applet/c381/chat.cab
O16 - DPF: Yahoo! Chat 1.3 - http://cs8.chat.sc5.yahoo.com/c174/chat.cab
O16 - DPF: {02BCC737-B171-4746-94C9-0D8A0B2C0089} (Microsoft Office Template and 
Media Control) - http://office.microsoft.com/templates/ieawsdc.cab
O16 - DPF: {02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B} (QuickTime Object) - http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab
O16 - DPF: {166B1BCA-3F9C-11CF-8075-444553540000} (Shockwave ActiveX Control) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/director/sw.cab
O16 - DPF: {2B323CD9-50E3-11D3-9466-00A0C9700498} (Yahoo! Audio Conferencing) - http://us.chat1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/chat/applet/v45/yacscom.cab
O16 - DPF: {41F17733-B041-4099-A042-B518BB6A408C} - http://a1540.g.akamai.net/7/1540/52/20021205/qtinstall.info.apple.com/borris/us/win/QuickTimeInstaller.exe
O16 - DPF: {90C9629E-CD32-11D3-BBFB-00105A1F0D68} - http://www.installengine.com/engine/isetup.cab
O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab
O16 - DPF: {E7DBFB6C-113A-47CF-B278-F5C6AF4DE1BD} - http://download.abacast.com/download/files/abasetup141.cab
O16 - DPF: {F54C1137-5E34-4B95-95A5-BA56D4D8D743} (Secure Delivery) - http://www.gamespot.com/KDX22/download/kdx.cab

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 10:12 am
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

Run the tools I suggested.

GET RID OF Bearshare!!  P2P file sharing will toast your computer!

Have a read:

KaZaA, KaZaA Lite, Grokster, Bearshare, eDonkey2000, Morpheus, Limewire, Overnet, 
Papigator, XoloX, Tesla, WinMX, Shareaza, Gnucleus and any other p2p file sharing 
network will kill 
your computer!  You have absolutely NO control over what is actually included in 
the files that you
are downloading.  Many of these files contain viral contents.  Many virii are spread 
through these 
file sharing networks without your knowlege.  Many of these will infect every file 
in your shared 
folder, and when someone downloads a file from you, they are then infected, and they 
infect everyone
that downloads from them.  This is a never ending cycle.

Most of the programs used to access these networks install loads of spyware/adware/malware 
onto 
your computer in the process of installing the program.  Many people are under the 
false impression 
that if they use kazaa lite or another program that "claims" to be free of spyware, 
that they are safe.
This is a costly misconception!  Even IF these programs are actually spyware free, 
this, in no way,
stops the spread of virii through the network.  By reading some of the virus information 
from the 
Symantec sites below, you will see that many of these virii will disable your anti-virus 
programs,
to prevent them from being detected. So the argument that it is safe to use file 
sharing networks
as long as you run an anti-virus program is incorrect.


Some good reading:


http://users.sisna.com/mjmcmillan/myweb2/P2P.htm


Kazaa Delivers More Than Tunes


http://www.net-security.org/news.php?id=4852

Also, here are just a few of the hundreds of virii that spread through p2p file sharing 
networks.  
Read how these are spread (through kazaa and other p2p file sharing networks):


w32.hllp.spreda.b

w32.hllw.astef

w32.hllw.kefy

w32.beagle.x@mm

w32.beagle.w@mm

w32.hllw.sanker

w32.hllw.cassidy

w32.hllw.merkur.e@mm

w32.hllw.kazkaz

vbs.pelic.worm

w32.hllw.winur

w32.kwbot.f.worm

w32.hllw.huntocx


Here is a list from Symantec's site that includes a number of virii that are 
spread through kazaa and other p2p file sharing networks.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 10:17 am
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

It would also be a good idea to run an online virus scan.   An online scanner is 
available at: 
    Trend Micro or 
    Panda or
    McAfee or
    Symantec

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 12:37 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Spyware Blaster will only stop new spywares from being loaded on the computer (it says so on majorgeeks.com)

Spyware Guard tells you to not use spyware blaster if you have sypware guard (it will do the same thing as spyware blaster but it will also scan *.exe and *.cab files before being executed on the machine, but it will not stop one that has already been executed in the past. If the files are already saved then they are there.)

CWshredder will only stop instances of CoolWebSearch and nothing else.

If you read his hijack log you will see that the instances of spyware guard , adaware and hijack this were already running and the problem is still there indicated by

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

I am not trying to be a thorn I am just trying to help.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Start with fixing these items
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\aphnho.dll/sp.html (obfuscated)

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,HomeOldSP = about:blank

O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BearShare] "C:\Program Files\BearShare\BearShare.exe" /pause

After you fix these items shutdown, restart run hijack this again see if they are back. I am not completely sure about this one.

O16 - DPF: {90C9629E-CD32-11D3-BBFB-00105A1F0D68} - http://www.installengine.com/engine/isetup.cab

But if it is bad, spyware guard should find it.

Post back with results

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:01 pm
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

I run SpywareBlaster AND SpywareGuard both, with no problems.

Does it not make sense to install and run these tools to check for and correct problems 
AND protect from future instances of them or others?  Why fix ONLY the problem you 
are experiencing at this moment, when you can  fix all the problems on your computer 
AND protect it from any more garbage being installed.

Although HiJack This is a great program, it will only find the problems and help 
you kill them.  It does not, however, prevent them from returning again in a couple 
minutes.

This is why I only advise to use it after all other scans for garbage have failed.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:08 pm
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

Another reason I don't reccomend HT is that it is VERY dangerous if you do not know 
EXACTLY what to fix and what not to fix.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

OK aggreed.

Spyware Guard should be run from now on but it will most likely not fix the current problem.

ATTENTION: Mojo is right. HijackThis is EXTREMELY dangerous if you just go through and check everything and choose fix. Don't do that. Would really suck and then you would have 30+ posts in the next few days, (assuming you could get online).

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Mogo, I have been looking at past posts (tounge twister). How can you spend so much time helping people that refuse to search annoyances for the answer to there question. There have been atleast 10 sasser worm and 10 about:blank listings in the last 24 hours. I got on here thought I would help a couple people out and relized that they were all complaining about the same thing. Homepage Hijacked, lsass.exe terminated.

Something to think about!

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:37 pm
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)


Those are not the only ones! 

Every day, there are repeated posts about the same subject.  It seems nobody can 
figure out how to go back and check the titles of the last 20 or 50 posts.  Doing 
so would eliminate 80% of the new posts.

Some of the most asked questions deal with:

Homepage hijacked
Unwanted toolbars
Spyware in general
Looking for drivers
A bunch of networking questions that can be answered by looking in "Networking" in 
the left pane of the page
Shutdown problems
Startup problems
Problems caused by using p2p file sharing (these will kill a computer!!!)
Formatting or installing XP
Windows update problems  (I refuse to update Windows, and my computer runs like a 
top)
Can't sign into MSN or Hotmail
Trying to run old windows or DOS programs in XP

The list goes on and on.  Some come in groups, meaning you might get several of the 
same questions on a particular day.

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Oops
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Didn't mean to call you Mogo, Mojo............(there, I feel better now)

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Well, 90% of those problems could be fixed by two things.

Spyguard (downloaded at birth)
Turning on the firewall that is BUILT IN. I guess Bill Gates should have made that a default. If someone didn't like it they could spend their time posting

"How do I turn off my Firewall"

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 2:07 pm
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

Maybe not 90% but quite a few.

It didn't take long before I made a text file with all the responses, and I just 
copy and paste into the test box to post on the forum.  I am always adding or editing 
it with new stuff.

This Sasser Worm is an example of what I keep saying about doing the Windows updates. 
 Why in the world would you keep installing updates to repair holes in XP, one at 
a time, when all you have to do is turn on the firewall in XP, and repair ALL, or 
at least most of the holes at one time?  That, and use a good, updated A/V program 
and the spyware arsenal that I post, and you really don't have any reason to do the 
updates.  They cause more problems than they solve.  I haven't done updates in over 
a year, and I don't experience any of the problems people come in here with.

Another pet peeve of mine is p2p file sharing.  I wrote up a post on this the other 
night, and posted it a couple times.  If you are interested in seeing it, let me 
know, and I will post it here.  
 

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Kenneth (57 messages posted)

Post on main page
(not that I think anyone would read it)

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 2:40 pm
Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted)

I'm not going to start a new thread for it, but here it is:


KaZaA, KaZaA Lite, Grokster, Bearshare, eDonkey2000, Morpheus, Limewire, Overnet, 
Papigator, XoloX, Tesla, WinMX, Shareaza, Gnucleus and any other p2p file sharing 
network will kill your computer!  You have absolutely NO control over what is actually 
included in the files that you are downloading.  Many of these files contain viral 
contents.  
Many virii are spread through these file sharing networks without your knowlege. 
 
Many of these will infect every file in your shared folder, and when someone downloads 
a file from you, they are then infected, and they infect everyone that downloads 
from them.  
This is a never ending cycle.

Most of the programs used to access these networks install loads of spyware/adware/malware 
onto your computer in the process of installing the program.  Many people are under 
the 
false impression that if they use kazaa lite or another program that "claims" to 
be free 
of spyware, that they are safe.  This is a costly misconception!  Even IF these programs 
are actually spyware free, this, in no way, stops the spread of virii through the 
network.  
By reading some of the virus information from the Symantec sites below, you will 
see that 
many of these virii will disable your anti-virus programs, to prevent them from being 
detected. So the argument that it is safe to use file sharing networks as long as 
you run 
an anti-virus program is incorrect.


Some good reading:


http://users.sisna.com/mjmcmillan/myweb2/P2P.htm


Kazaa Delivers More Than Tunes


http://www.net-security.org/news.php?id=4852

Also, here are just a few of the hundreds of virii that spread through p2p file sharing 
networks.  
Read how these are spread (through kazaa and other p2p file sharing networks):


w32.hllp.spreda.b

w32.hllw.astef

w32.hllw.kefy

w32.beagle.x@mm

w32.beagle.w@mm

w32.hllw.sanker

w32.hllw.cassidy

w32.hllw.merkur.e@mm

w32.hllw.kazkaz

vbs.pelic.worm

w32.hllw.winur

w32.kwbot.f.worm

w32.hllw.huntocx


Here is a list from Symantec's site that includes a number of virii that are 
spread through kazaa and
other p2p file sharing networks.

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re: TROJAN OR VIRUS ... help ... not sure what to do!
Monday, May 3, 2004 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Brian (630 messages posted)

I finally solved my virus / worm / trojan problems permanently and haven't had a single worry in months. using a dual boot system with XP on the main partition using NTFS , and a small partition formatted in FAT16 running my old Windows 98. I connect to the internet using EXCLUSIVELY Win98 on the FAT 16 partition, and use XP normally on the other with any other programs required as well. Since a FAT 16 formatted drive can't even see the other formatted in NTFS,the partition/drive running XP can't under any circumstances become infected. If for some reason you pick up anything from the internet, and it screws up your Win98 partition - who cares? - you just re-load Win98 in about 30mins as many times as you want (unlike XP) and away you go again - works great, and as as far as I know - foolproof.
>
>It didn't take long before I made a text file with all the responses, and I just
>copy and paste into the test box to post on the forum. I am always adding or editing
>it with new stuff.
>
>This Sasser Worm is an example of what I keep saying about doing the Windows updates.
> Why in the world would you keep installing updates to repair holes in XP, one at
>a time, when all you have to do is turn on the firewall in XP, and repair ALL, or
>at least most of the holes at one time? That, and use a good, updated A/V program
>and the spyware arsenal that I post, and you really don't have any reason to do the
>updates. They cause more problems than they solve. I haven't done updates in over
>a year, and I don't experience any of the problems people come in here with.
>
>Another pet peeve of mine is p2p file sharing. I wrote up a post on this the other
>night, and posted it a couple times. If you are interested in seeing it, let me
>know, and I will post it here.
>

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