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re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 11:22 am Posted by carbo18 (26 messages posted) IDE is limited to 4 drives total in most cases. This is how I would set it up, if I wanted to keep all drives. IDE0 - Master: Hard-Drive IDE0 - Slave: Plextor IDE1 - Master: NEC DVD +/- RW IDE1 - Slave: Creative CR-ROM But personally I would can the Creative, because your Plextor is a much better drive and serves the same purpose as well as more. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 11:40 am Posted by Ricer46 (23825 messages posted) It's really not a good idea to do this. Your hard drive could slow down to the same data transfer rate as the CDROM. A safer method is to add another IDE adapter, if your motherboard doesn't already have 4, as some newer boards do. On Friday, June 4, 2004 at 11:22 am, carbo18 wrote: >IDE is limited to 4 drives total in most cases. > >This is how I would set it up, if I wanted to keep all drives. > >IDE0 - Master: Hard-Drive >IDE0 - Slave: Plextor >IDE1 - Master: NEC DVD +/- RW >IDE1 - Slave: Creative CR-ROM > >But personally I would can the Creative, because your Plextor is a much better drive >and serves the same purpose as well as more. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 11:43 am Posted by storm (5 messages posted) Yes that is the way I set it up (without the creative). I wanted to keep it just to read, I thought that might add life to the expensive Plextor. Incidentally, I bought this NEC DVD drive from newegg.com for $75.00 including shipping. Now if I can just figure out my EZ Creator DVD software. I can't even find the button to look for updates, oh well. I'll eventually get it :>) I'll go to the site or something. Thanks for the help. On Friday, June 4, 2004 at 11:22 am, carbo18 wrote: >IDE is limited to 4 drives total in most cases. > >This is how I would set it up, if I wanted to keep all drives. > >IDE0 - Master: Hard-Drive >IDE0 - Slave: Plextor >IDE1 - Master: NEC DVD +/- RW >IDE1 - Slave: Creative CR-ROM > >But personally I would can the Creative, because your Plextor is a much better drive >and serves the same purpose as well as more. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 11:54 am Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted) If you are only using the NEC and Plextor, set it up like this: IDE0 Master Hard drive IDE0 Slave Empty IDE1 Master Plextor IDE1 Slave NEC Do not put a hard drive and optical drive on the same cable. The optical drive will slow down the hard drive. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 12:03 pm Posted by carbo18 (26 messages posted) The problem with putting both optical drives on the same cable, is that it effects CD to CD direct copy. Direct CD to CD copy doesn't use the hard-drive at all but does use the CPU. So therefore I wouldn't put them on the same IDE cable. But this setup is debateable, I agree. Optimal would be HD on Serial ATA and each optical drive on a seperate IDE cable to remove as much data transfer slowdown as possible. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 12:34 pm Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted) Read Shahid's misguided input in this thread and the responses http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/1086291216 [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 12:51 pm Posted by carbo18 (26 messages posted) Althought it is true that two UDMA devices will run at slowest speed on the same cable. No hard drive in existance can put out 133MBps. The fastest 7200 RPM UltraDMA/100 drives can reach a maximum "sustained" transfer rate of less than 42MBps, and that's only on the fastest part of the disk. Only RAID configurations can achieve higher speeds. Read Internal Sustained Transfer Rate (STR) http://www.storagereview.com/map/lm.cgi/str Therefore if you have a two UDMA of at least mode 4(UDMA66) drives on the same IDE cable you shouldn't incure much of a performance hit, even less if the second device is not used often. Like I said it IS debatable. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 1:18 pm Posted by mojo7819 (5744 messages posted) Whatever.......! Yes, it is debateable. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 1:18 pm Posted by Tom Swanson (5553 messages posted) You might want to debate it, but your position is weak. And your reference link doesn't appear to support combining CD and HD on the same cable, and there are several advising against it. On Friday, June 4, 2004 at 12:51 pm, carbo18 wrote: >Althought it is true that two UDMA devices will run at slowest speed on the same >cable. No hard drive in existance can put out 133MBps. The fastest 7200 RPM UltraDMA/100 >drives can reach a maximum "sustained" transfer rate of less than 42MBps, and that's >only on the fastest part of the disk. Only RAID configurations can achieve higher >speeds. > >Read Internal Sustained Transfer Rate (STR) >http://www.storagereview.com/map/lm.cgi/str > >Therefore if you have a two UDMA of at least mode 4(UDMA66) drives on the same IDE >cable you shouldn't incure much of a performance hit, even less if the second device >is not used often. > >Like I said it IS debatable. [Reply or follow-up to this message] re: 3 CD roms How to make work? Friday, June 4, 2004 at 7:52 pm Posted by carbo18 (26 messages posted) You might want to check the Plextor manuals. also... http://arstechnica.com/guide/building/ This last one gives both configurations as viable options http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confRecommendations-c.html There are also articles that support your view as well. The thing to remember is that only one IDE device on a cable can be accessed at one time, so having both Optical drives on the same cable doesn't allow for good performance for Direct Optical to Optical copying. But the same is true if you have a HD and a CD on the same cable and trying to transfer files from cd to HD, you will have performance loss. Therefore you end up losing both ways. Ideally you would only want one drive per IDE. This bring the conclusion that for optimal perf... You would have a SATA HD & 2 Optical each on it's own cable. Anyways, this has been a debate on many forums and there are arguments on both side. The best way is just to test it on your system and see what you accept as decent performance for your personal use... I will not debate this any longer since it becomes kinda pointless. [Reply or follow-up to this message] Tip: Use one of the [Reply or follow-up to this message] links above to add a message to this thread Search this forum Start a new thread on a different subject Report abuse of the forum Return to the Windows XP Discussion Forum