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After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
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After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 7:57 am
Posted by ZoneIII
(342 messages posted)
When my Norton crashed, I ended up having to do an XP repair installation. (Norton
is up and running again). But when I ran SP2 (after running other MS XP updates)
it crashed the system. I could not restart normally. I removed SP2 and it worked
but I did another repair installation to clean all the other updates out to get a
fresh start. Should I run SP2 first? My guess is that most of the other updates
will be included in SP2. Is that correct?
I have not done anything since the last repair installation except try to set a system
restore point. System Restore does not work but it is installed an running in services.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Oh! When I ran the updates after the first XP repair installation, I was able to
get optional updates which I could not get since an MS researcher walked me through
a reformat and XP reinstallation. After my XP repair installation, I could get those
(good!) with the exeption of .NET Framework 1.1 which fails. An MS tech told me
to just uninstall that from my system a couple weeks ago because I don't need it
but it turns out that I do need it. My backup software, for one thing, needs it.
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 8:11 am
Posted by Cam
(4178 messages posted)
XP INFO XP CLEANUP
Do you have a Microsoft XP CD? If so you should slipstream it with SP2 FIRST, then
do the install, and only then update the system.
MS Tech? Eeek!
My Norton? Arrgg!
Mac
TIME IS DIVISIBLE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH
('NEW' RELATIVITY)
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 8:19 am
Posted by ZoneIII
(342 messages posted)
Thanks, but not being much of an expert (by any stretch of the imagination), I don't
know how to "slipstream" it. I do remember, however, that the MS researcher who
ran me though a refomat a few weeks ago ran SP2 after the reinstallation. But he
did it via Remote Assistant so I don't remember exactly what he did. I do have
the XP CD and that is what I did my reinstall with then and also my repair installation
with today.
On Monday, October 24, 2005 at 8:11 am, Mac wrote:
>XP INFO
>href="http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/1126542499">XP CLEANUP
>Do you have a Microsoft XP CD? If so you should slipstream it with SP2 FIRST, then
>do the install, and only then update the system.
>
>MS Tech? Eeek!
>
>My Norton? Arrgg!
>
Mac
>
>TIME IS DIVISIBLE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH
>('NEW' RELATIVITY)
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 8:33 am
Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE
(7132 messages posted)
Here's a link to autostreamer, a very handy, painless program to slipstream the latest
SP with your XP CDROM:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=223562
BTW, this program can be made to work with Dell Operating System reinstallation CDs.
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 9:16 am
Posted by ZoneIII
(342 messages posted)
Dan....thank you very much. I am going to check that out right now. I really appreciate
that.
On Monday, October 24, 2005 at 8:33 am, Dan Sarandrea, MCSE wrote:
>Here's a link to autostreamer, a very handy, painless program to slipstream the
latest
>SP with your XP CDROM:
>
>http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=223562
>
>BTW, this program can be made to work with Dell Operating System reinstallation
CDs.
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 9:20 am
Posted by ZoneIII
(342 messages posted)
Dan.... one more question.. If I use the slipstream tool, am I doing a repair installation
or a full installation where I lose all my setting, etc.?
On Monday, October 24, 2005 at 8:33 am, Dan Sarandrea, MCSE wrote:
>Here's a link to autostreamer, a very handy, painless program to slipstream the
latest
>SP with your XP CDROM:
>
>http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=223562
>
>BTW, this program can be made to work with Dell Operating System reinstallation
CDs.
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 9:36 am
Posted by Cam
(4178 messages posted)
XP INFO XP CLEANUP
If you click on the XP Info link above you'll get to the Slipstreamer and a lot of
other things.
Slipstreaming consists of merging the SP2 files together with the files on your XP
CD. The core files are retained and any obsolete files are replaced. AutoStreamer
makes an .ISO file and you burn the .ISO file CD-ROM (ISO) to a good quality CDR.
This replaces your existing XP CD.
If you ever need to run SFC /SCANNOW the XPCD must have the same service pack level
as is installed on the drive. AutoStreamer is very easy to use, but you may need
to ask DELL if it will work on their OEM XP CDs. (If not, then it should!)
Mac
TIME IS DIVISIBLE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH
('NEW' RELATIVITY)
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 10:28 am
Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE
(7132 messages posted)
You can do either.
In a nutshell, what slipstreaming does is integrate the files that have changed into
the \i386 folder contained on the CD. So let's say that folder on the original XP
CD had 2,000 files. And let's say that SP2 consists of changes to 1,500 of those
original 2,000, and say 250 new files. The slipstream process simply replaces the
old with the changed files, and adds the new.
So now you working copy of the XP CDROM is "packed" up to SP2. If you have to do
a repair reinstallation, if you do it with an SP2-level CD, then there is no need
to separately download and install SP2 as in independent step...all that work was
already done in the slipstream process.
Compare that to your situation (as I understand it), where the computer was packed
up to SP2, then the problem happened, then you repaired it with an SP1 (or maybe
no SP at all) CDROM, that sent you backwards, then you had to catch up by installing
SP2 again. Going back and forth like that with the thousands of files and registry
settings is just inviting an avoidable disaster.
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:00 am
Posted by ZoneIII
(342 messages posted)
Can I make a Repair Installation with the disk that the slipstream program makes?
In other words, I do not want to do a total reinstallation where I lose everything.
One more thing.... I have now run a Repair Installation three times. Each time,
I get an error message (0X8007007F) that says I am missing a file. It is failing
to load the library C:\Windows\system32\catsrv.dll. (I wonder if the "sr" stands
for System Restore because that is not working). Anyway, instructions are to
clean the disk which I have done. No luck. Tried installing on different drive.
Still no luck. That is a problem I will have to deal with separately later but
my question is whether this would cause a problem when creating the disk with the
slipstream program.
I really appreciate your help and I apolgize for my ignorance.
On Monday, October 24, 2005 at 10:28 am, Dan Sarandrea, MCSE wrote:
>You can do either.
>
>In a nutshell, what slipstreaming does is integrate the files that have changed
into
>the \i386 folder contained on the CD. So let's say that folder on the original
XP
>CD had 2,000 files. And let's say that SP2 consists of changes to 1,500 of those
>original 2,000, and say 250 new files. The slipstream process simply replaces the
>old with the changed files, and adds the new.
>
>So now you working copy of the XP CDROM is "packed" up to SP2. If you have to do
>a repair reinstallation, if you do it with an SP2-level CD, then there is no need
>to separately download and install SP2 as in independent step...all that work was
>already done in the slipstream process.
>
>Compare that to your situation (as I understand it), where the computer was packed
>up to SP2, then the problem happened, then you repaired it with an SP1 (or maybe
>no SP at all) CDROM, that sent you backwards, then you had to catch up by installing
>SP2 again. Going back and forth like that with the thousands of files and registry
>settings is just inviting an avoidable disaster.
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re: After XP repair installation, should I install SP2 first?
Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 9:49 am
Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE
(7132 messages posted)
Assuming good quality cd burner and media to rule out media-related problems, the
produced CD from Autostreamer is in every way a bootable, functional XP installation
CD.
Of course, it can only work with the files you give it, so if the XP CDROM you are
using, or the downloaded SP2 files you are using, have some sort of problem, say
a corrupted file (that catsrv.dll file), then it's not likely Autostreamer is going
to fix that underlying problem.
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