I have a question about How 
do I skip the Product Activation in Windows XP?:

 What if Microsoft goes out of buiseness? 
 Are we all out of luck?
As for 'wishfull thinking', I have allready encounterd this problem with several 
other software companies. After reinstalling the software I could no longer activate 
it because the company had been sold or gone out of buiseness, leaving me with another 
useless $100 disk.

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I think that's a bit of an absurd question. The software will be quite obsolete before 
that happens. The companies you speak of that went out of business were probably 
forced out by M$.







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 3:12 pm, mark wrote:

>I have a question about How 

>do I skip the Product Activation in Windows XP?:


> What if Microsoft goes out of buiseness? 

> Are we all out of luck?

>As for 'wishfull thinking', I have allready encounterd this problem with several 

>other software companies. After reinstalling the software I could no longer activate 

>it because the company had been sold or gone out of buiseness, leaving me with another 

>useless $100 disk.

>
 

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If you think it is such an absurd question, would you like to buy an electronic CAD 
program distributed by NTE Electronics?
 In addition to this possibility, when (not if) Microsoft decides to no longer support 
this product it becomes worthless.
 Whether or not you agree with these possibilities, It is a very legitimate concern 
 when spending nearly $300 for a product that may only be useable for a limited period 
of time.  







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 3:35 pm, Ricer46 wrote:

>I think that's a bit of an absurd question. The software will be quite obsolete 
before 

>that happens. The companies you speak of that went out of business were probably 

>forced out by M$.

>

>

> 

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Could you cite some examples?

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hkey_local_machine\software\microsoft\windowsnt\currentversion edit string value regdone,give it a value of(1)


On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 3:51 pm, mark wrote:
>If you think it is such an absurd question, would you like to buy an electronic CAD
>program distributed by NTE Electronics?
> In addition to this possibility, when (not if) Microsoft decides to no longer support
>this product it becomes worthless.
> Whether or not you agree with these possibilities, It is a very legitimate concern
> when spending nearly $300 for a product that may only be useable for a limited period
>of time.
>
>
>

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From the Product Activation 
FAQ, located about halfway down the page:

"Will Microsoft use activation to force me to upgrade? In other words, will Microsoft 
ever stop giving out activation codes for any of the products that require activation?

No, Microsoft will not use activation as a tool to force people to upgrade. Activation 
is merely an anti-piracy tool, nothing else.

Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and 
will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's 
lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."

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But NTE Electronics is/was not Microsoft. And when MS decides that they will no longer 
support the product, it does not at all mean that the investment will become worthless. 
Besides that, if you get 3 years use out of it and paid $200 (I don't know why you 
would pay $300 when you can buy it for $100...), that's $67 per year. Don't know 
about you but I get $67 a year worth of use from it. And since I've been using it 
for 4 years already, that's already down to $50 per year. Most of the software that 
I use I upgrade every few years shelling out a few more dollars each time, but I 
don't have too, I could go back and use that old software anytime I want to. What's 
stopping you from using your CAD software? No support? So what? That doesn't mean 
it doesn't work.

Pretty much anything you buy these days does'nt last forever, and has a limited lifetime. 
Are you still able to continue to use the meal you ate last night? That money's spent 
and gone, and you now have little of value to show for it.







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 3:51 pm, mark wrote:

>If you think it is such an absurd question, would you like to buy an electronic 
CAD 

>program distributed by NTE Electronics?

> In addition to this possibility, when (not if) Microsoft decides to no longer support 

>this product it becomes worthless.

> Whether or not you agree with these possibilities, It is a very legitimate concern 

> when spending nearly $300 for a product that may only be useable for a limited 
period 

>of time.  

>

>

> 

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I'm still using Windows 98 on my laptop and it does the same job it always did and 
will continue as long as there are computers with the current line of processors.

1. May I point out that your computer will, most likely, be obsolete before XP. 

2. Microsoft is less likely to go out of business than General Motors, Ford and Chrysler 
combined. 

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LOL!
MS going out of business? I'd think GM'd go bankrupt before MS went under...

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I have also seen upgrade versions of XP Home edition on sale for less than $100 -after 
rebates (if you are not denied) but I have not seen and did not get a discount on 
XP-PRO OEM edition.
 As for the NTE software (www.ivex.com), I never stated that Microsoft was involved, 
they are just using the same practice. I have never been able to use it as I did 
not have internet access back when I purchased it. It will work with very limited 
functions after the included PIN is entered. For full use of the software registration 
is required to receive the additional unlock codes.
 I hope your investment prorating concept does not apply to my house, my classic 
cars, or other items I have purchased. When I purchase something I expect it to be 
useable for a reasonable period of time. There are reasons beyond our control for 
food having a limited shelf life; there is no reason for products like software to 
have a limited life, it is not a consumable product. In fact software is the only 
product that is sold with this 'feature'. 







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 4:29 pm, Ricer46 wrote:

>But NTE Electronics is/was not Microsoft. And when MS decides that they will no 
longer 

>support the product, it does not at all mean that the investment will become worthless. 

>Besides that, if you get 3 years use out of it and paid $200 (I don't know why you 

>would pay $300 when you can buy it for $100...), that's $67 per year. Don't know 

>about you but I get $67 a year worth of use from it. And since I've been using it 

>for 4 years already, that's already down to $50 per year. Most of the software that 

>I use I upgrade every few years shelling out a few more dollars each time, but I 

>don't have too, I could go back and use that old software anytime I want to. What's 

>stopping you from using your CAD software? No support? So what? That doesn't mean 

>it doesn't work.

>

>Pretty much anything you buy these days does'nt last forever, and has a limited 
lifetime. 

>Are you still able to continue to use the meal you ate last night? That money's 
spent 

>and gone, and you now have little of value to show for it.

>

>

> 

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XP is great Value really, Apple users are given a opportunity about Once a year to spend 130 bucks more for the upgraded product. Since Apple is switching to Intel cpu,s all PC users will probably have the privilege to spend their money at Apple instead of Microsoft in a few years, and they never said Hell would freeze over:)

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 Microsoft to Apple? why downgrade? 
You can download or order Linux on CD for FREE with hundreds of versions to choose 
from. Linux is under constant development by unrelated groups and it includes all 
of the applications that others charge for. (word processing, etc.) 








On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 6:39 pm, Steve wrote:

>XP is great Value really, Apple users are given a opportunity about Once a year 
to

>spend 130 bucks more for the upgraded product. Since Apple is switching to

>Intel  cpu,s all PC users will probably have the privilege to spend their money 
at

>Apple instead of Microsoft in a few years, and they never said Hell would freeze 

>over:) 

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I have a Linux PC, I have tried 4 Linux Distro's, and XP at 100 bucks, or even the inflated 200 bucks some pay at the local store is still a Better Deal then a free Linux install.

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Mark,
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't understand what the problem is.
I have a W95, W98, ME, 2000 and 2 XP computers. The software still works and I definetly 
got my money's worth out of them.
If it weren't for MS I wouldn't be in business.
I recently bought 10 copies of XP Pro OEM for about $106 a piece.
No one is forcing you to use the software.
I am just not getting the point you are trying to make.
Jake
Your mileage may vary.







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 7:10 pm, Steve wrote:

>I have a Linux PC, I have tried 4 Linux Distro's, and XP at 100 bucks, or even the 

>inflated 200 bucks some pay at the local store is still a Better Deal then a free 

>Linux install.
 

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The expected lifetime of software is not comparable to the expected lifetime of a 
house. But even houses have limited life. They don't last forever. And cars, most 
don't last more than ten years. The only reason antique cars survive is because they 
are highly protected, well I still have Windows 3.1, and it's just as good as new, 
you can't say that about your old cars.







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 5:27 pm, mark wrote:

>I have also seen upgrade versions of XP Home edition on sale for less than $100 
-after 

>rebates (if you are not denied) but I have not seen and did not get a discount on 

>XP-PRO OEM edition.

> As for the NTE software (www.ivex.com), I never stated that Microsoft was involved, 

>they are just using the same practice. I have never been able to use it as I did 

>not have internet access back when I purchased it. It will work with very limited 

>functions after the included PIN is entered. For full use of the software registration 

>is required to receive the additional unlock codes.

> I hope your investment prorating concept does not apply to my house, my classic 

>cars, or other items I have purchased. When I purchase something I expect it to 
be 

>useable for a reasonable period of time. There are reasons beyond our control for 

>food having a limited shelf life; there is no reason for products like software 
to 

>have a limited life, it is not a consumable product. In fact software is the only 

>product that is sold with this 'feature'. 

>

>

> 

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unfortunately that's a real possibility.







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 4:55 pm, rocannon wrote:

>LOL!

>MS going out of business? I'd think GM'd go bankrupt before MS went under... 

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 You obviously can not compare them, because my house and cars are worth more than 
when new.
The point you are missing is that they did not become trash 2 years after they were 
paid for and their usefulness was not dependant on the company that made them.   






On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 8:13 pm, Ricer46 wrote:

>The expected lifetime of software is not comparable to the expected lifetime of 
a 

>house. But even houses have limited life. They don't last forever. And cars, most 

>don't last more than ten years. The only reason antique cars survive is because 
they 

>are highly protected, well I still have Windows 3.1, and it's just as good as new, 

>you can't say that about your old cars.

>

>

> 

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Just use free Linux, problem solved.







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 6:51 pm, mark wrote:

> Microsoft to Apple? why downgrade? 

>You can download or order Linux on CD for FREE with hundreds of versions to choose 

>from. Linux is under constant development by unrelated groups and it includes all 

>of the applications that others charge for. (word processing, etc.) 

>

>

>

> 

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After reading all this nonsense, I've come to the conclusion that you're either a 
Troll, a Kook, or both. Why does your software become trash after 2 yrs.?? LOL

You make no sense at all, and there's no logic in anything you've said. Your post 
is irrelevant to the topic of the forum, besides that. 

P.S. To the regular posters: Remember heads and walls, folks...
 


Dealing with Unwanted Spyware and Parasites

Please pass the asprin
I promise that's the end (of my part of the nonsense)
Jake
Your mileage may vary







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 9:02 pm, Carol J wrote:

>

>After reading all this nonsense, I've come to the conclusion that you're either 
a 

>Troll, a Kook, or both. Why does your software become trash after 2 yrs.?? LOL

>

>You make no sense at all, and there's no logic in anything you've said. Your post 

>is irrelevant to the topic of the forum, besides that. 

>

>P.S. To the regular posters: Remember heads and walls, folks...

> 

>

>


>
>color="006699">Dealing with Unwanted Spyware and Parasites 

What does heads & walls have to do with the price of XP in China?







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 9:02 pm, Carol J wrote:

>

>After reading all this nonsense, I've come to the conclusion that you're either 
a 

>Troll, a Kook, or both. Why does your software become trash after 2 yrs.?? LOL

>

>You make no sense at all, and there's no logic in anything you've said. Your post 

>is irrelevant to the topic of the forum, besides that. 

>

>P.S. To the regular posters: Remember heads and walls, folks...

> 

>

>


>
>color="006699">Dealing with Unwanted Spyware and Parasites 

....about at all the time everyone wasted on this asinine discussion. It's just a bunch of phoney baloney.

Nothing. I was just filling in for normanw, since he's not around. :)

Ricer46 wrote: But even houses have limited life. They don't last forever. And 
cars, most don't last more than ten years.


The difference being that houses and cars don't come with a EULA in which the manufacturer 
is legally bound to ensure that you can use the license untill the end of times.

No organization lasts forever, no matter how succesful it may be today. Eventually 
M$ will cease to exist, just like Pan Am and the Soviet Union. But under the terms 
of the EULA, M$ is legally required to ensure that the grandchildren of your grandchildren 
of your etc. can buy an ancient computer from a museum in the year 6666 and use their 
great-great-greatgrandfathers licensed copy of XP on it. If product activation is 
not possible by then, M$ is legally required to provide an alternative method to 
get the product running. An XP license never expires, even though the hardware 
on which it runs becomes obsolete.

______________

make xp behave

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OK, It's morning and I'm awake...and your point is well taken. I, at least, will 
stop head banging. ;o)  on this thread at least!!! 







On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 9:48 pm, Carol J wrote:

>

>Nothing. I was just filling in for normanw, since he's not around. :)

> 

>


>
>color="006699">Dealing with Unwanted Spyware and Parasites 

Microsoft have already released a product long ago that accidentally turns off Windows XP product activation.


On Monday, November 21, 2005 at 4:18 pm, Dan Sarandrea, MCSE wrote:
>From the Product Activation
>FAQ, located about halfway down the page:
>
>"Will Microsoft use activation to force me to upgrade? In other words, will Microsoft
>ever stop giving out activation codes for any of the products that require activation?
>
>No, Microsoft will not use activation as a tool to force people to upgrade. Activation
>is merely an anti-piracy tool, nothing else.
>
>Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and
>will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's
>lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product."

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