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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Saturday, September 26, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Adam Bradley
(8787 messages posted)
Because we are chose to and are smart enough to protect it? This kind of post seems
like stupid elitist linux user crap that is doing no good for anyone. take it to
a linux forum or something, it is nothing but pointless borderline spam here.
On Saturday, September 26, 2009 at 7:51 pm, ben2talk wrote:
>Why does anyone use Windows with an internet connection? I have XP, but it never
>gets any kind of internet access - isolated it's easier to control. I use a dual-boot
>with linux. Works great. No security issues like this, or the MSN updates fiasco
>last week. Remove
>the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension:
>
>
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Saturday, September 26, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Ricer46
(23825 messages posted)
Why bother when you can run XP just as safely? I'm online pretty much 7 x 24, and
have had no problems for more than a decade.
On Saturday, September 26, 2009 at 7:51 pm, ben2talk wrote:
>Why does anyone use Windows with an internet connection? I have XP, but it never
>gets any kind of internet access - isolated it's easier to control. I use a dual-boot
>with linux. Works great. No security issues like this, or the MSN updates fiasco
>last week. Remove
>the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension:
>
>
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 4:08 am
Posted by MartinM
(7551 messages posted)
So why bother with XP at all ?
Why bother living ?
What does it all mean ?
Can illusion be reality, is the theatre really dead ?
If only we could answer these questions.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 4:13 am
Posted by ben2talk
(10 messages posted)
So why bother with XP at all ? I'd say only for playing Windows games. There's nothing
else.
Why bother living ? Did you say this to suggest that using Windows is your whole
life?
What does it all mean ? Mostly it means you're a bit of a troll I think.
Can illusion be reality, is the theatre really dead ? There's no illusion here -
the reality is that you've the intelligence of a monkey.
If only we could answer these questions.
You wish - I'm surprised that you managed to read through - though I doubt the level
of your understanding.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 6:37 am
Posted by MartinM
(7551 messages posted)
Yes, I do struggle with long words due my low intelligence.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 7:37 am
Posted by Ricer46
(23825 messages posted)
I think that Martin routinely demonstrates a far greater intelligence than you will
ever hope to have. You didn't even begin to comprehend his philosophical post.
On Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 4:13 am, ben2talk wrote:
>So why bother with XP at all ? I'd say only for playing Windows games. There's nothing
>else.
>
>Why bother living ? Did you say this to suggest that using Windows is your whole
>life?
>
>What does it all mean ? Mostly it means you're a bit of a troll I think.
>
>Can illusion be reality, is the theatre really dead ? There's no illusion here -
>the reality is that you've the intelligence of a monkey.
>
>If only we could answer these questions.
>You wish - I'm surprised that you managed to read through - though I doubt the level
>of your understanding.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 10:00 am
Posted by Adam Bradley
(8787 messages posted)
You come here and make a useless post that will help no one, you are in no place
to call anyone a troll. You come here and make a useless post then insult us when
we reply, who is the troll here? I will give you a clue, his name starts with a b
and has a number in it.
Reverse the roles here, imagine if I went on a linux forum and posted this.
"why does anyone bother with linux? It does not play any games and is more complicated
to use."
Think I would get a very good reception? I would likely get bombarded with replies
far less polite than the ones you have so far received.
I think a good bit of why linux has problems getting popular is the elitist attitude
you are demonstrating here. Why would the everyman on the street want to use the
OS of arrogant jerks?
On Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 4:13 am, ben2talk wrote:
>So why bother with XP at all ? I'd say only for playing Windows games. There's nothing
>else.
>
>Why bother living ? Did you say this to suggest that using Windows is your whole
>life?
>
>What does it all mean ? Mostly it means you're a bit of a troll I think.
>
>Can illusion be reality, is the theatre really dead ? There's no illusion here -
>the reality is that you've the intelligence of a monkey.
>
>If only we could answer these questions.
>You wish - I'm surprised that you managed to read through - though I doubt the level
>of your understanding.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 3:47 am
Posted by ben2talk
(10 messages posted)
There's nothing elitist about it. You claim to be smart because you can protect yourself?
I don't see anything smart about it. I use internet and I have no problems about
security, and my computer can safely be used by anyone. I use XP, and that's why
I'm posting here - but I'm also pointing out that there's no need to do it all with
XP. If it's an operating system only to be used by very smart people, then it's about
time someone created an operating system for normal people to use safely isn't it?
I haven't suffered a single instance of malware in the last two years - but I do
get many issues, like this one, where Microsoft undermine the system. My main job
with XP maintenance is managing crap from Microsoft - add-ons for Firefox that undermine
security, bundled updates forced on MSN with the alternative to have service refused.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 3:51 am
Posted by ben2talk
(10 messages posted)
I can't run XP as safely, it takes a lot more work and I am not expert enough, or
willing to spend time enough to keep up to date on all of the security risks.
The other reason is that my desktop is just so much nicer to use - it handles better,
is much more easily configured, and doesn't need to be hacked to change things.
If you prefer XP, that's fine - and problems like this one are one prime reason that
I started to avoid using XP in favour of something better. I keep XP because there
are one or two things I need to use it for.
It's strange that people come to a site called 'Annoyances.org' and spend most of
their time defending Microsoft. Isn't it Microsoft being underhanded that produced
this problem? Don't you see time here trying to solve this problem as something annoying
that arises from using Microsoft?
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 3:56 am
Posted by ben2talk
(10 messages posted)
I doubt that, but saying 'so why use XP at all' was rather over the top. There are
several good reasons for using XP - mostly because of the dominance of Microsoft
over the years. For me, because I want to play games, and although my printer works
very nicely - the XP drivers are best for printing out graphics.
Why do people see my position as an aggressive personal attack ? you all seem to
be extremely touchy in here!
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 4:05 am
Posted by MartinM
(7551 messages posted)
I think the response is because the work of this forum is really about helping people
who are having issues with their XP installation.
If you had written that making a phone call is an answer to email problems (which
in a sense it is) you might have got a similar response !
If you read through the forum you'll see that, far from being touchy, an enormous
amount of free help is dispensed every day with good grace.
Somehow you touched a nerve - I can't define it better than that :-)
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 4:34 am
Posted by ben2talk
(10 messages posted)
All in the best possible taste. I'm quite used to it to be honest.
I'm also grateful that I was able to get a good solution in here, so that on the
odd occasion when I don't want to reboot, I can access internet. I'd already decided
beforehand that I would simply use Opera browser to do this, and I'm really pissed
at Microsucks for proving that Firefox really isn't so secure - and it's only real
strength are the add-ons.
Would installing Firefox 3.7 work well in Windows? I'm thinking of trying it - that
way, all add-ons would be incompatible (I use the Nightly Tester add-on and have
to personally force installation of any add-on I want). Maybe I should give it a
try.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Posted by Ricer46
(23825 messages posted)
There are a very small number of Microsoft "believers" here. I personally despise
the company, because they are underhanded in their business practices. But the plain
simple truth is that their products are easier to run than any version of Linux that
I've looked at. One day that may no longer be true, and I will gladly switch, if
I'm still alive.
I spend no time worrying about security risks, and fell that I'm quite secure. A
linux user that doesn't "hack (whatever that means to you)" their system?? Oh come
on, that's what Linux users do. They live for that. Hacking can be fun as a hobby,
but it's certainly not required.
On Monday, September 28, 2009 at 3:51 am, ben2talk wrote:
>I can't run XP as safely, it takes a lot more work and I am not expert enough, or
>willing to spend time enough to keep up to date on all of the security risks.
>
>The other reason is that my desktop is just so much nicer to use - it handles better,
>is much more easily configured, and doesn't need to be hacked to change things.
>
>If you prefer XP, that's fine - and problems like this one are one prime reason
that
>I started to avoid using XP in favour of something better. I keep XP because there
>are one or two things I need to use it for.
>
>It's strange that people come to a site called 'Annoyances.org' and spend most of
>their time defending Microsoft. Isn't it Microsoft being underhanded that produced
>this problem? Don't you see time here trying to solve this problem as something
annoying
>that arises from using Microsoft?
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Monday, September 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Adam Bradley
(8787 messages posted)
Call it what you wish, you are coming here saying every user should install linux
and get a working dual boot and only use XP when they want to play games. If you
think that is a good idea you vastly overestimate the amount of trouble many users
want to go to for everyday computer use and the technical know how of a large part
of the computer users on earth. Many users just want to turn on the power switch
and check their e-mail, ebay facebook and such without having to learn Linux, if
you chose so add that trouble to your life feel free but you will find many chose
not to bother.
You say using XP on the internet is stupid, I say switching OSes all the time is
a waste of time. Linux is just an OS and it is vulnerable like any other, windows
gets hit by attacks most because it is where most of the shots are aimed.
On Monday, September 28, 2009 at 3:47 am, ben2talk wrote:
>There's nothing elitist about it. You claim to be smart because you can protect
yourself?
>I don't see anything smart about it. I use internet and I have no problems about
>security, and my computer can safely be used by anyone. I use XP, and that's why
>I'm posting here - but I'm also pointing out that there's no need to do it all with
>XP. If it's an operating system only to be used by very smart people, then it's
about
>time someone created an operating system for normal people to use safely isn't it?
>
>I haven't suffered a single instance of malware in the last two years - but I do
>get many issues, like this one, where Microsoft undermine the system. My main job
>with XP maintenance is managing crap from Microsoft - add-ons for Firefox that undermine
>security, bundled updates forced on MSN with the alternative to have service refused.
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re: Question about 'Remove the Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant (ClickOnce) Firefox Extension'
Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 2:31 am
Posted by ben2talk
(10 messages posted)
Just installing themers in XP is illegal, and is hacking - installing non-MS dll
files.
I know everyone steals Windows and then disregard any laws applying to the EULA -
but now I can honestly say I don't actually hack anything in my system - the settings
are all open and available for me to change at will.
Linux is free and open - but as an amateur, I don't need to replace any parts of
my original system with cracked versions to make things work and my desktop is very
much simpler and easier to operate than yours, or that of a Mac in my opinion. I'm
not forced to use the default 'standard' desktop or even run the launcher, or 'explorer.exe'.
12 months ago, I shied away (I was told I needed to edit an Xorg.config file to make
my display work properly) from linux. I spent three hours working out how to compile
and install 'Pidgin' - and whilst it gave me a faster and personally adjusted installer
suited to my system I didn't really enjoy the process and didn't ever do that since...
Now I don't need to do anything like that - it just works. After 12 months of use
(initially just occasional for booting to check mail, browse stuff on a Saturday
morning etc) it took over all by itself. I was an XP user, now I'm a Linux user that
occasionally uses XP.
Actually, I strongly recommend you keep a dual boot of something like Mint, or Ubuntu
- because if you keep it updated, you'll see very drastic changes - especially over
the last 6 months, and there will be drastic improvements from now to next year too.
We're expecting a ten second boot sometime in spring. With 12 months general experience
(just using it and getting used to it whilst doing things like browsing net and doing
office work) I now find it much easier to do most things here than in XP. If something
doesn't work first click in XP you require much more expertise - it just looks foreign
for the first 6 months. It takes that long for you to stop thinking 'how do I do
this, in XP I'd just edit the registry'.
Next you'll be saying it's easier just to stick with Internet Explorer rather than
try out Firefox and Chromium ;) Don't tell me you can't remember a time when you
did think like that :P
On Monday, September 28, 2009 at 9:17 pm, Ricer46 wrote:
>There are a very small number of Microsoft "believers" here. I personally despise
>the company, because they are underhanded in their business practices. But the plain
>simple truth is that their products are easier to run than any version of Linux
that
>I've looked at. One day that may no longer be true, and I will gladly switch, if
>I'm still alive.
>
>I spend no time worrying about security risks, and fell that I'm quite secure. A
>linux user that doesn't "hack (whatever that means to you)" their system?? Oh come
>on, that's what Linux users do. They live for that. Hacking can be fun as a hobby,
>but it's certainly not required.
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